ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference
I saw that someone mentioned the Nonprofit Technology Conference on this list a few weeks back. I wanted to write back to give a brief description of ARIN's participation in the event. ARIN participated in the "Science Fair" which was the NTC exhibition event. We spoke to many people one-on-one about IPv4 depletion and the need to consider IPv6 adoption. On Friday, we held a 90-minute conference session to discuss details about IPv4, IPv6, the Regional Internet Registry System, and other educational topics. We encouraged everyone we spoke to, to participate in the ARIN policy development process as well as other processes and activities. Attendees' technical knowledge ranged from minimal to extensive, but we found everyone extremely interested in learning more about the issues facing the Internet community. We distributed hundreds of fact sheets, multimedia CDs, and comic books to people who planned to read the materials themselves or pass along to the more technical staff members not present at the event. This was a very useful and valuable conference to attend. We gained a wealth of information regarding the various ways that nonprofit organizations are using "Internet Technology" in their communities. Please contact me if you are interested in talking about the event in general, ARIN's participation in it, or other events where you think ARIN could participate. Richard Jimmerson Chief Information Officer American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) http://www.arin.net
Richard: Being the person who suggested the idea ARIN attend, well, great to hear that the ARIN participation at the NTEN event was a success. It is a great community, one that is very active - and more importantly truly is in touch with a very broad user base in the US and beyond. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 27-Mar-08, at 11:56 AM, Richard Jimmerson wrote:
I saw that someone mentioned the Nonprofit Technology Conference on this list a few weeks back. I wanted to write back to give a brief description of ARIN's participation in the event.
ARIN participated in the "Science Fair" which was the NTC exhibition event. We spoke to many people one-on-one about IPv4 depletion and the need to consider IPv6 adoption. On Friday, we held a 90-minute conference session to discuss details about IPv4, IPv6, the Regional Internet Registry System, and other educational topics. We encouraged everyone we spoke to, to participate in the ARIN policy development process as well as other processes and activities.
Attendees' technical knowledge ranged from minimal to extensive, but we found everyone extremely interested in learning more about the issues facing the Internet community. We distributed hundreds of fact sheets, multimedia CDs, and comic books to people who planned to read the materials themselves or pass along to the more technical staff members not present at the event.
This was a very useful and valuable conference to attend. We gained a wealth of information regarding the various ways that nonprofit organizations are using "Internet Technology" in their communities. Please contact me if you are interested in talking about the event in general, ARIN's participation in it, or other events where you think ARIN could participate.
Richard Jimmerson Chief Information Officer American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) http://www.arin.net
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Hello all, I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things. I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature. In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone. So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later. Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email. Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives. This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process... - Evan - Evan
Hi all, I would echo Evan's sentiments as I have had similar conversations with Nick and the other Secretariats. One problem is that a lot of the conferences for next fiscal may not have dates set but if we can even say, for example, that "I know that there will be an ICT Summit in Vancouver in February 2009, dates yet to be set" it would at least get it on ICANN's radar and into the budgeting process, I would think/hope. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:42 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Hello all, I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things. I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature. In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone. So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later. Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email. Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives. This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process... - Evan - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------
Bonjour darlene, I also have the ICT summit in Vancouver on my radar, but funding to attend the event is an issue...again. Louis Houle Président ISOC Québec Thompson, Darlene a écrit :
Hi all,
I would echo Evan's sentiments as I have had similar conversations with Nick and the other Secretariats.
One problem is that a lot of the conferences for next fiscal may not have dates set but if we can even say, for example, that "I know that there will be an ICT Summit in Vancouver in February 2009, dates yet to be set" it would at least get it on ICANN's radar and into the budgeting process, I would think/hope.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:42 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference
Hello all,
I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things.
I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature.
In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone.
So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later.
Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email.
Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives.
This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process...
- Evan
- Evan
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Harvard's Berkman Center is planning an event in May to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Perhaps we could add a budget line for transportation and expenses for someone to attend and represent NA RALO's views...be on hand, perhaps try to be part of the program, hand out info, etc. (I'll be attending anyway, so this is not a self-interested request.) There's an admission cost and probably transportation and lodging, so figure about $1,000. If the timing doesn't work for that, maybe we could ask Wendy to attend and talk about getting on the program of events or having an info presence. Don't know if anyone has suggested this before, apologies if it's been suggested, but what about a budget item for some hard-copy brochure materials. I know it sounds counterintuitive and everybody's online these days, but a lot of the folks I encounter and work with like to have a take-home handout of whatever. I would suggest getting something professionally done, perhaps a little bit less fancy than the actual "what is ICANN?" brochure itself, that focuses on why it's important to be an ALS or something. You could spend as much or as little as you want -- I've done them for $10K for 2,000 to much lower. I'll try to think of some more ideas. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:42 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Hello all, I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things. I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature. In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone. So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later. Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email. Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives. This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process... - Evan - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ *** Scanned
Brochures and the like can definitely be provided for. In fact, I shall include a provision for creating some new / revised ones (ours are quite old now). It is indeed possible, by the way to suggest something as simple as "naralo would like to have the ability to send 2 people to three events TBC during the next year to do outreach". I can then put in a provision for this kind of thing. On 27/03/2008 19:39, "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> wrote: Harvard's Berkman Center is planning an event in May to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Perhaps we could add a budget line for transportation and expenses for someone to attend and represent NA RALO's views...be on hand, perhaps try to be part of the program, hand out info, etc. (I'll be attending anyway, so this is not a self-interested request.) There's an admission cost and probably transportation and lodging, so figure about $1,000. If the timing doesn't work for that, maybe we could ask Wendy to attend and talk about getting on the program of events or having an info presence. Don't know if anyone has suggested this before, apologies if it's been suggested, but what about a budget item for some hard-copy brochure materials. I know it sounds counterintuitive and everybody's online these days, but a lot of the folks I encounter and work with like to have a take-home handout of whatever. I would suggest getting something professionally done, perhaps a little bit less fancy than the actual "what is ICANN?" brochure itself, that focuses on why it's important to be an ALS or something. You could spend as much or as little as you want -- I've done them for $10K for 2,000 to much lower. I'll try to think of some more ideas. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:42 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Hello all, I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things. I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature. In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone. So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later. Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email. Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives. This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process... - Evan - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ *** Scanned ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica... Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? Can we agree to this on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:05 PM To: Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Brochures and the like can definitely be provided for. In fact, I shall include a provision for creating some new / revised ones (ours are quite old now). It is indeed possible, by the way to suggest something as simple as "naralo would like to have the ability to send 2 people to three events TBC during the next year to do outreach". I can then put in a provision for this kind of thing. On 27/03/2008 19:39, "Brendler, Beau" <Brenbe@consumer.org> wrote: Harvard's Berkman Center is planning an event in May to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Perhaps we could add a budget line for transportation and expenses for someone to attend and represent NA RALO's views...be on hand, perhaps try to be part of the program, hand out info, etc. (I'll be attending anyway, so this is not a self-interested request.) There's an admission cost and probably transportation and lodging, so figure about $1,000. If the timing doesn't work for that, maybe we could ask Wendy to attend and talk about getting on the program of events or having an info presence. Don't know if anyone has suggested this before, apologies if it's been suggested, but what about a budget item for some hard-copy brochure materials. I know it sounds counterintuitive and everybody's online these days, but a lot of the folks I encounter and work with like to have a take-home handout of whatever. I would suggest getting something professionally done, perhaps a little bit less fancy than the actual "what is ICANN?" brochure itself, that focuses on why it's important to be an ALS or something. You could spend as much or as little as you want -- I've done them for $10K for 2,000 to much lower. I'll try to think of some more ideas. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] <mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org%5d> On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:42 PM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Hello all, I has a conversation last night with Nick on some things. I mentioned the 2009 NARALO regional meeting we'd been toying with. Nick's answer was that the whole travel funding policy is under review... so this may be premature. In the conversation Nick mentioned that there was an At-Large budget process underway for some time that was desperately wanting input from ALAC, RALOs, ALSs... anyone. So... considering this thread... THIS IS THE TIME for us to propose specific events that NARALO wants to attend in order to do outreach. Whether it's funding a NARALO person to attend, or a larger presence with a booth/table and literature, we need to come up with some plans within the next week in order to present to staff for budgetary purposes. Even if it's not a specific amount, we can at least get it put on the budget in anticipation of details to come later. Nick suggested that there is a real vacuum related to budget items (or At-Large initiatives) that aren't all about ICANN people F2F meetings. Participation in N-TEN (and other such events) for outreach are exactly such projects, as well as another proposal for a Comsumer Warning System that I'll outline in a different email. Please... those within NARALO who have been calling for outreach resources ... here is the opportunity to ask for them with a reasonable chance of success. We DO NOT need to get ALAC's blessing for such initiatives. This cannot wait for the next call. Please offer feedback now so we can have SOMETHING to add to the budget process... - Evan - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ *** Scanned ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director for At-Large Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS requirement: Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: 3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding). In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant community. This is not "free money" that you can just tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the pockets of those that we have pledged to protect. If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds proposal to demonstrate that its activities can reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I would have less objection to supporting this type of an outreach initiative. So, are you willing to dig into your organizational pockets to support this initiative, or not? As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that engage in outreach activities. Doubtless some of that Staff will be at the upcoming Dubai session. I would see a greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a North American liaison whose duty it would be to properly engage in outreach activities on this continent. ICANN has already budgeted for that function. Do we really need to spend more money on what may well turn out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA Liaison assumes his/her duties? Danny --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? Can we agree to this on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me.
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Danny, The criteria that you state that each ALS needs to be self supporting is completely outside of this discussion. Each ALS IS self supporting but as most of us represent completely cash-strapped organizations, there is no way that we can afford to fund ICANN processes. For example, N-CAP can fund its own programs and projects but it has not got the money to fund ICANN outreach. This completely falls within the scope of that third criterion that you mention. It would be completely laughable, though, to expect non-profits to use their limited funds to support a private corporation's outreach activities. Having said that, we are each willing to donate our limited time and effort into promoting this which DOES have value and which means that we ARE putting resources into this project. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:57 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS requirement: Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: 3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding). In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant community. This is not "free money" that you can just tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the pockets of those that we have pledged to protect. If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds proposal to demonstrate that its activities can reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I would have less objection to supporting this type of an outreach initiative. So, are you willing to dig into your organizational pockets to support this initiative, or not? As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that engage in outreach activities. Doubtless some of that Staff will be at the upcoming Dubai session. I would see a greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a North American liaison whose duty it would be to properly engage in outreach activities on this continent. ICANN has already budgeted for that function. Do we really need to spend more money on what may well turn out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA Liaison assumes his/her duties? Danny --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? Can we agree to this on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me.
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Sorry Darlene, but I don't buy the argument. I look at the NCUC which is a bunch of similarly situated noncommercial organizations that each contributes membership dues to support the work of the NCUC. Why is it that each of these orgs can manage to support the efforts of their umbrella body, but ALSs can't pony up anything to support the NARALO? ICANN is not the home of the "free lunch"; responsible orgs have an obligation to financially support their own initiatives -- every other constituent group in ICANN is self-supporting and most will pay to support their own Secretariat services and other activities. Look around -- what other active constituencies engaged in policy work don't pay their own way? regards, Danny --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Danny,
The criteria that you state that each ALS needs to be self supporting is completely outside of this discussion. Each ALS IS self supporting but as most of us represent completely cash-strapped organizations, there is no way that we can afford to fund ICANN processes.
For example, N-CAP can fund its own programs and projects but it has not got the money to fund ICANN outreach. This completely falls within the scope of that third criterion that you mention. It would be completely laughable, though, to expect non-profits to use their limited funds to support a private corporation's outreach activities.
Having said that, we are each willing to donate our limited time and effort into promoting this which DOES have value and which means that we ARE putting resources into this project.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:57 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference
Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS requirement:
Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: 3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant community. This is not "free money" that you can just tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the pockets of those that we have pledged to protect.
If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds proposal to demonstrate that its activities can reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I would have less objection to supporting this type of an outreach initiative. So, are you willing to dig into your organizational pockets to support this initiative, or not?
As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that engage in outreach activities. Doubtless some of that Staff will be at the upcoming Dubai session. I would see a greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a North American liaison whose duty it would be to properly engage in outreach activities on this continent.
ICANN has already budgeted for that function. Do we really need to spend more money on what may well turn out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA Liaison assumes his/her duties?
Danny
--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? Can we agree to this on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me.
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Our (collective) constituency is the "most general" of ICANN constituencies. We're not NCUC, and we're not NCUC lite. These are issues of (global and inclusive) governance. It's the same challenge our political systems face in terms of meaningful involvement in ongoing work of the polity or community. The interest of NCUC members would be to serve their particular constituencies. Our interest in at-large is in extending involvement in civil society and collective inclusive governance. Any and all means of conveying the relevance of Internet/ICANN policy questions to a diversity of stakeholders should be welcome. Any of us who might question (or may have questioned) the legitimacy of the At Large project - in it's prior and extended formation phase or in its newly emerged phase will recognize that the limited involvement/exposure we've had is something we need to overcome. To be truly legitimate representation of the concept of At-Large we need to be inclusive, welcoming and make extensive efforts of outreach, and we have to learn to be productive together, and to have clear paths to show newcomers how to get involved. (Clear marking of the paths). I'm not speaking of us as separate organizations, but collectively as NA RALO. Frankly, most people - even socially active people - will not consider the Internet policy questions of ICANN important to their life, or to their experience of the Internet, let alone explore it's meaning to wider society except in most general terms. This leads to neither action nor involvement. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry Darlene, but I don't buy the argument.
I look at the NCUC which is a bunch of similarly situated noncommercial organizations that each contributes membership dues to support the work of the NCUC.
Why is it that each of these orgs can manage to support the efforts of their umbrella body, but ALSs can't pony up anything to support the NARALO?
ICANN is not the home of the "free lunch"; responsible orgs have an obligation to financially support their own initiatives -- every other constituent group in ICANN is self-supporting and most will pay to support their own Secretariat services and other activities.
Look around -- what other active constituencies engaged in policy work don't pay their own way?
regards, Danny
--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Danny,
The criteria that you state that each ALS needs to be self supporting is completely outside of this discussion. Each ALS IS self supporting but as most of us represent completely cash-strapped organizations, there is no way that we can afford to fund ICANN processes.
For example, N-CAP can fund its own programs and projects but it has not got the money to fund ICANN outreach. This completely falls within the scope of that third criterion that you mention. It would be completely laughable, though, to expect non-profits to use their limited funds to support a private corporation's outreach activities.
Having said that, we are each willing to donate our limited time and effort into promoting this which DOES have value and which means that we ARE putting resources into this project.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:57 PM To: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference
Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS requirement:
Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: 3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for funding).
In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant community. This is not "free money" that you can just tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the pockets of those that we have pledged to protect.
If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds proposal to demonstrate that its activities can reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I would have less objection to supporting this type of an outreach initiative. So, are you willing to dig into your organizational pockets to support this initiative, or not?
As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that engage in outreach activities. Doubtless some of that Staff will be at the upcoming Dubai session. I would see a greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a North American liaison whose duty it would be to properly engage in outreach activities on this continent.
ICANN has already budgeted for that function. Do we really need to spend more money on what may well turn out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA Liaison assumes his/her duties?
Danny
--- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? Can we agree to this on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me.
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* maybe a couple of thousand dollars to start piloting some videoconferencing technology. There are a number out there; we have a low-budget one here at Consumers Union that works to connect the mother ship to three remote offices across the U.S., though I wouldn't recommend it because it doesn't have things like whiteboard or voting. Saves travel money in the long run. * maybe hiring the expertise of some professional working group facilitators who can convene, manage, and run a working group from start to finish via a listserv or other means, while adhering to some basic, established, widely-accepted guidelines on creation and administration of working groups. ________________________________ From: tropology@gmail.com [mailto:tropology@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maranda Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:19 PM To: Danny Younger Cc: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, Beau; Evan Leibovitch; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: ARIN Participation at the Nonprofit Technology Conference Our (collective) constituency is the "most general" of ICANN constituencies. We're not NCUC, and we're not NCUC lite. These are issues of (global and inclusive) governance. It's the same challenge our political systems face in terms of meaningful involvement in ongoing work of the polity or community. The interest of NCUC members would be to serve their particular constituencies. Our interest in at-large is in extending involvement in civil society and collective inclusive governance. Any and all means of conveying the relevance of Internet/ICANN policy questions to a diversity of stakeholders should be welcome. Any of us who might question (or may have questioned) the legitimacy of the At Large project - in it's prior and extended formation phase or in its newly emerged phase will recognize that the limited involvement/exposure we've had is something we need to overcome. To be truly legitimate representation of the concept of At-Large we need to be inclusive, welcoming and make extensive efforts of outreach, and we have to learn to be productive together, and to have clear paths to show newcomers how to get involved. (Clear marking of the paths). I'm not speaking of us as separate organizations, but collectively as NA RALO. Frankly, most people - even socially active people - will not consider the Internet policy questions of ICANN important to their life, or to their experience of the Internet, let alone explore it's meaning to wider society except in most general terms. This leads to neither action nor involvement. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry Darlene, but I don't buy the argument. I look at the NCUC which is a bunch of similarly situated noncommercial organizations that each contributes membership dues to support the work of the NCUC. Why is it that each of these orgs can manage to support the efforts of their umbrella body, but ALSs can't pony up anything to support the NARALO? ICANN is not the home of the "free lunch"; responsible orgs have an obligation to financially support their own initiatives -- every other constituent group in ICANN is self-supporting and most will pay to support their own Secretariat services and other activities. Look around -- what other active constituencies engaged in policy work don't pay their own way? regards, Danny --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote: > Danny, > > The criteria that you state that each ALS needs to > be self supporting is > completely outside of this discussion. Each ALS IS > self supporting but > as most of us represent completely cash-strapped > organizations, there is > no way that we can afford to fund ICANN processes. > > For example, N-CAP can fund its own programs and > projects but it has not > got the money to fund ICANN outreach. This > completely falls within the > scope of that third criterion that you mention. It > would be completely > laughable, though, to expect non-profits to use > their limited funds to > support a private corporation's outreach activities. > > Having said that, we are each willing to donate our > limited time and > effort into promoting this which DOES have value and > which means that we > ARE putting resources into this project. > > D > > Darlene A. Thompson > Community Access Program Administrator > Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP > c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > dthompson@gov.nu.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:57 PM > To: Thompson, Darlene; Nick Ashton-Hart; Brendler, > Beau; Evan > Leibovitch; NA Discuss > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] ATTENTION REQUIRED: Re: > ARIN Participation at > the Nonprofit Technology Conference > > Perhaps some of you might recall this ALS > requirement: > > Minimum criteria for an At-Large Structure: > 3. Be self-supporting (not rely on ICANN for > funding). > > In principle I am opposed to wasteful spending of > dollars that flow into ICANN from the registrant > community. This is not "free money" that you can > just > tap into simply because ICANN is more cash-flush now > than it used to be in the past -- it comes from the > pockets of those that we have pledged to protect. > > If this group wanted to put forward a matching funds > proposal to demonstrate that its activities can > reasonably be described as self-supporting, then I > would have less objection to supporting this type of > an outreach initiative. So, are you willing to dig > into your organizational pockets to support this > initiative, or not? > > As I see it, ICANN has professional Staff that > engage > in outreach activities. Doubtless some of that > Staff > will be at the upcoming Dubai session. I would see > a > greater value in pushing ICANN to finally recruit a > North American liaison whose duty it would be to > properly engage in outreach activities on this > continent. > > ICANN has already budgeted for that function. Do we > really need to spend more money on what may well > turn > out to be duplicative outreach work when the NA > Liaison assumes his/her duties? > > Danny > > --- "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> wrote: > > > Would anybody be against suggesting such a thing? > > Can we agree to this > > on-line? It seems fairly reasonable to me. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NA-RALO Wiki at https://st.icann.org/naralo/ ------ *** Scanned
Danny Younger wrote:
I look at the NCUC which is a bunch of similarly situated noncommercial organizations that each contributes membership dues to support the work of the NCUC. Repeat after me. At-Large is not NCUC. In fact, the two _should_ be far more different than they are, and IMO the efforts of At-Large have been significantly obstructed by efforts to view its role through NCUC-tinted glasses.
NCUC is, almost by definition, made of orgs that have advancement of policy interests as core mandates. They found ICANN before ICANN found them. Most ALSs, by contrast, are not by mission interested in policy and are here because, by and large, ICANN wants their opinions more than they want to give opinions. Most ALSs -- including mine -- are here because ICANN actively courted them and would not be involved otherwise. Put _very_ crudely, ICANN doesn't need to subsidize groups that would be involved anyway. Existing constituencies -- including NCUC -- have vested interests that bring them to the table. ALSs have no such interests, no funding to advance any such interests, and thus are worthy of subsidy. If ICANN wishes to limit involvement to those orgs who pay to play, then it simply won't have the public POV it wants, and will limit its voices to special interest groups. In the debate over tasting it was clear that NCUC is far out of touch with the public interest, so it's hardly a credible proxy. It is one thing to require that an ALS's existence should not depend on ICANN handouts -- this is not under dispute. That is quite different from asking ALSs to subsidize ICANN outreach and other activities from their own strained budgets. It is a mandate of my ALS to represent the views of its members. It is not a mandate to represent or solicit the views of other groups. I am personally offering to help ICANN in its outreach efforts; my time has value which IMO more than matches anything ICANN could spend on my attendance at an event to do outreach. If that's not good enough, well too bad -- I have many other competing uses for my time, as do many others here, that don't also require my financial subsidy. As for whether outreach is a task for ALS volunteers or ICANN staff, to me this is not an either-or. As existing parts of the grassroots, ALSs will (probably) know better than ICANN staff where are the best targets for outreach in their regions. And, since there are no current ICANN staff doing outreach in our region, the outreach work we do as volunteers is, at least for now, all that is being done. Until ICANN hires someone in our region ICANN is paying ZERO for outreach, so our proposed something is better than the status-quo nothing. Perhaps in the future, new staff will make such efforts redundant -- but the fact is that there have been very very few new ALS applications in our region since the MOU signing. Rather than pointing fingers I prefer to try to act on this with the resources available -- the efforts of NARALO volunteers -- subsidized by ICANN -- at least for now in the temporary absence of staff. Maybe someone will be hired after the budget is set, and there will be a small amount of overlap. But that's still better than sitting on our hands and doing nothing, especially if the will of people to contribute their most precious resource -- their valuable skill and time -- has been offered. Participating in ICANN does not and will not force me to devalue my time. - Evan
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Brendler, Beau -
Danny Younger -
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Michael Maranda -
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Richard Jimmerson -
Robert Guerra -
Thompson, Darlene