Hello all, As it turns out the alleged "tradition" is actually not true because Juan who was called to corroborate the traditional also says Raoul is correct. The honourable thing to do here is to apologize for telling us a tradition exists which is not true! Secondly, as the so called tradition doesn't exist the best thing is also to do the announcement again and list the roles to be applied for. NPOC is for all of us and people should stop hijacking it as though it's their inherited birth rights! Some of us have complained about these abuses of people hijacking to roles and just switching from one role to another as if it's their individual properties. I don't think this is transparency to start with at the first place. And the kinds of things we are reading is unfortunate. We are seeing those who are really not transparent! Regards, Raymond Mamattah Accra, Ghana On Sun, Dec 22, 2024, 7:45 AM Raoul Plommer via Npoc-discuss < npoc-discuss@icann.org> wrote:
Hello Caleb,
I accused you of not delivering on listing our members for like four years that you have been NPOC's membership chair. You did not do it when I was the chair for three years and I don't think my accusation is false even today. Have you produced the list and where is it to be seen?
I made one unilateral decision that seemed to have angered you especially, choosing Tapani to be a member of the NCSG EC. He was certainly more qualified for it than all the other candidates put together at the time. The decision was mine to take and there were no rules against it. I understand it angered you mostly because you couldn't get your own simp for the position, in addition to holding your seat in the NCSG EC for years and years. I also know that you're mostly this furious because that position was finally taken from you.
I was never the beneficiary of getting a seat at the NCSG EC for being the membership chair. That's you, mate. Check your facts.
I apologised to you, not because you were right but because the chair should try their best to stay inclusive. You had nothing to report to the ombudsman and it looks like you don't even remember what I apologised for. Again, check your facts.
The CROP opportunities were mostly on hold while I was the chair. Remember Corona? Check your facts. I did not miss one CROP opportunity. Bolutif used the first one available in the Hague.
I have not claimed that the EC is not conforming to the rules and charter. I claimed that you have not done your most core duty in years. Check your facts, please.
Lastly, I have been administering the domain of NPOC since 2018 and I see no reason to change that fact for you lacking facts and blatantly lying. Hetzner does not have cPanel, they only have their own GUI to administer the domain, like I already told you twice. Did you know that Avri administers the NCUC domain? When did you last see her at the NCUC EC?
Although you seem to want to paint a rosy picture of everyone getting along, I hear it's you that's doing anything you please and wasting a travel slot in Istanbul - I guess in your head, if you can't travel to a a meeting, no one else should be doing so either, at least not on your slot, heaven forbid.
Apparently you were also enraged by Juan's decision to open your NCSG EC slot, whereas the rest of the EC _actually_ wanted it opened. No surprises there.
To wrap it all up, you've accused me of several things in your email, that are factually incorrect, one might even see them as deliberate lies to destroy my reputation. If somebody should make a case for the Ombudsman, it's me, buddy.
I'll let it slide though, for now at least, since it's Christmas. You're ruining your own reputation with these figments of your imagination and I suggest you should seek for professional help.
-Raoul
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 14:34 Kossi Amessinou, <amessinoukossi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Le mer. 18 déc. 2024 à 07:46, Caleb Ogundele via Npoc-discuss < npoc-discuss@icann.org> a écrit :
Dear Raoul, I was not going to dignify your last email by giving attention to it but since you accused me of something which is absolutely false, I will start by saying that during your leadership it was fraught with lots of dictatorial abuses which I do not believe in spreading your dirty linen outside. Instead of fighting for what will purportedly benefit you, as I'm aware you are putting yourself forward for consideration for the NCSG EC Position, you should have some retrospection about your leadership while so many of us served under you and you abused your office by making unilateral decisions. Again, I feel that you should be commending the current leadership for transparency and making it public that we want to appoint people to the NCSG PC, FC, EC roles.
I dare you to point out to me that during your term as Chair of NPOC where you were this transparent which is basically what we are trying to achieve here by trying to use this to help stimulate our membership.
You mentioned that Joan used an *"Abritary Rules"* and I dare say you to contradict the fact that both you and the current Chair Juan were beneficiaries of this said *"Abritary Rules" *as you were both on the NCSG EC then and I recall very well you sat on my membership application to be approved. In her defense, I believe she did this in the best interest of both of you to get your active administrative participation and loop back information to the NPOC EC. I also dare you to dispute the fact that you did not serve on the NCSG EC and were a beneficiary of the arbitrary rule. So if you once served in that role, why are you trying to fight dirty to come back at all costs by trying to change the rules and goalpost?
When eventually I joined NPOC EC, I met that same "arbitrary rule" but learned it was as a tradition (as it was explained to me then) and you abused it. We have so many executive members during your term as Chair on this list that can attest to this with records of those abuses and we even have witnesses to you apologizing to me at an NPOC EC meeting for one of your excess abuses I was gracious enough not to report to the Ombudsman. Why did you apologize, I challenged some of your abusive processes and since then you have been on an attacking prowl without clear justification or evidence to proof otherwise. So, I dare you, if you have anything against me, please put it forward.
*@All NPOC Member, I believe that we all in the Executive Committee are accountable to you and what we are doing here is trying to be more transparent with members and carrying them along in our decision making processes by giving them these opportunities while still having leadership oversight in cases where needed. This was never done during Raoul's time as Chair and I will say that he who is without sin should cast the first stone.* Since you cast the first stone, I have decided to cast mine to lay this matter to rest. Trust me, I will not reply to any email following this public encouragement you gave me the big courage to speak about your abuses as a leader who was never transparent to its members. At this point, I chose not to be bullied by you. Therefore, I will expect you to rather give credit to this EC for taking these steps and following the charter to the letter rather than following the lines of previous power abuses. *Again, *@Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com>* I dare you to show me where you ever announced CROP opportunities for members. Our members now see that we are making opportunities available to them and you are claiming we the current EC are not conforming to the rules and Charter.*
*@Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> , you left the NPOC EC over two years ago, and in different email exchanges, we have pleaded with you to give us the Control Panel for the NPOC's website which you keep claiming there is no Control Panel. In a logical clime, when you leave office, you should submit all digital assets in your possession. We should not be begging you to give us to digital assets that belongs to NPOC claiming the host does not have a control panel which is false. All web host has the opportunity to provide each website a control panel even if it is a VPS server.*
https://lists.icann.org/hyperkitty/list/npoc-ec@icann.org/thread/LTM2HAE6XNQ...
To wrap things up, it has been a while since you left the NPOC Executive Council and things have been very calm as the EC has worked collaboratively and harmoniously to deliver some good results, especially our active participation on the policy side of things. In fact, this decision to make open these appointments was decided because we chose to collaborate and resist some form of dictatorship instead of a multistakeholder approach. It is my hope we don’t continue to have such derogatory conversations and attacks via mailing lists in the future.
Now to respond to your false accusations on the membership list which we have put to rest a long time ago, may I refer you once again to click the link below to read the information the Chair (Juan) posted about efforts we have undertaken to resolve the membership list despite the membership CRM issues we have had in the past. Juan himself was also a membership chair at some time before and if it was a problem he was aware of, we have tried our best to resolve it as best as we can despite the fact that those records predate some of us who are still young in the system unlike you who have been in the NCSG EC for long and yet never took action to resolve the issues. in case you missed the link, I have taken a screenshot for you to give us more credit for the good job we are trying to do.
https://lists.icann.org/hyperkitty/list/npoc-discuss@icann.org/thread/PGDEMX... [image: image.png]
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:14 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I feel that I need to comment on this:
The term limit is determined by the EC. Usually, the tradition is to
have one current NPOC EC who volunteers or whose office designation matches the administrative issues discussed (such as membership engagement, recruitment and outreach on the NCSG EC. This used to be the membership chair and likely now the Outreach and Engagement Coordinator as per the new charter.
The reason why traditionally one NPOC EC member is on the NCSG EC is there is to be able to report back to NPOC EC and serve as a liaison. I'm aware the NCUC also has that in place now as the flow of information in time past has not so much be a two-way channel.
The "tradition" you speak of is actually just an arbitrary rule stipulated by Joan out of thin air and currently, now that there are only four EC members, there is no reason why the NPOC representatives at the NCSG EC should be also part of the NPOC EC. The only liaising that needs to happen, is basically keeping track of our new members flowing in and reporting the numbers and possibly other specifics of those new members to the EC. This is hardly rocket surgery.
Remember, the NPOC EC doesn't actually make any decisions about accepting these members, it's the task of the NCSG EC and the two NPOC reps basically make sure that the members are indeed fit for NPOC, when the NCSG EC decides on them.
At the moment, we still don't have a comprehensive list of our members and their status as ARs or ORs. I've been demanding to see it for like three years from you Caleb and you still haven't produced it, regardless that THAT is the most significant task you have ever had as the membership chair or the new variant of it. I think you have to stop hiding behind our shitty CRM and start making that list of members in some other way. Maybe start checking the lists of people that you have recruited yourself?
I would like to ask from our chair, Juan, to extend the current application period for the NCSG EC to Sunday and open the other NCSG EC position up for applications as well. Caleb needs to get on top of that comprehensive membership list, produce it and let other people take care of the acceptance of new members.
-Raoul
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 at 21:56, Johan Helsingius via Npoc-discuss < npoc-discuss@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Caleb, and thank you for the quick and informative reply!
The term limit is determined by the EC.
By the NPOC EC?
Usually, the tradition is to have one current NPOC EC who volunteers or whose office designation matches the administrative issues discussed (such as membership engagement, recruitment and outreach on the NCSG EC. This used to be the membership chair and likely now the Outreach and Engagement Coordinator as per the new charter.
Ah, yes.
The reason why traditionally one NPOC EC member is on the NCSG EC is there is to be able to report back to NPOC EC and serve as a liaison. I'm aware the NCUC also has that in place now as the flow of information in time past has not so much be a two-way channel.
Indeed. It definitely makes sense.
Julf
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