For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter. "1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names." I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend! -Raoul On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added. However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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Hi Remmy, Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on. Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work. Thank you Poncelet On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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Hi I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an org whom you belong to who meets your own values Judith Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein

On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> wrote:

Hi Remmy,

Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on.

Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work.

Thank you

Poncelet

...

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

...

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

...

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote: Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

...

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit : Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

...

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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Please a question for Judith. What could be an operational concern for an individualisé ? I just need arguments to be convince. Warm regards. Olévié Le ven. 13 sept. 2019 à 14:12, Juan Manuel Rojas via Npoc-discuss < npoc-discuss@icann.org> a écrit :

Hey Raoul! Nice work on the charter... good catch! I think we can move forward!

According Judith's point, We discussed that point some time ago when we were working on that issue and I remember the new charter proposal includes a sentence where says (more or less) "another cases will be reviewed case by case", so I think that your example could be among those cases.

Best,

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El viernes, 13 de septiembre de 2019 08:00:38 a. m. GMT-5, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> escribió:

Hi I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an org whom you belong to who meets your own values

Judith

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On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> wrote:

Hi Remmy,

Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on.

Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work.

Thank you

Poncelet

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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If your primary reason to be in NPOC is to not be in NCUC, you should not be in NPOC. You should join the NCSG and not join any of its constituencies if you do not qualify or want to be in either of them. The NPOC mission IS to represent non-profits. I can see some special cases for people specifically involved in non-profits, such as someone who retired from a non-profit position or otherwise is heavily involved in the non-profit - some provision has been made, I think they would still be best left as observers. The idea that we should allows individuals just to allow people who feel more ‘aligned’ with NPOC

I also know Government people in other countries who are aligned with At Large/NPOC but feel they cannot join either of these groups even if that is their passion because of their employment

You know people who can’t join NPOC because they aren’t a non-profit? The system seems to be working correctly. Honesty the argument that we should allow people who work to the government to join because of their ‘alignment with At Large/NPOC’ has strongly convinced me that we shouldn’t. David

On 13 Sep 2019, at 9:00 pm, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

Hi I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an org whom you belong to who meets your own values

Judith

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On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm <mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm>> wrote:

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Hi Remmy,

Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on.

Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work.

Thank you

Poncelet

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com <mailto:remmyn@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com <mailto:plommer@gmail.com>> wrote: For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com <mailto:olivierkouami@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work <http://ans.seen.the.work/> done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com <mailto:remmyn@gmail.com>> a écrit : Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com <mailto:plommer@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...>

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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+1 @David. We should notre. Le mar. 17 sept. 2019 à 10:26, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> a écrit :

+1 David

Thanks for this contribution

Poncelet

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 01:39, David Cake <dave@davecake.net> wrote:

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If your primary reason to be in NPOC is to not be in NCUC, you should not be in NPOC. You should join the NCSG and not join any of its constituencies if you do not qualify or want to be in either of them.

The NPOC mission IS to represent non-profits.

I can see some special cases for people specifically involved in non-profits, such as someone who retired from a non-profit position or otherwise is heavily involved in the non-profit - some provision has been made, I think they would still be best left as observers.

The idea that we should allows individuals just to allow people who feel more ‘aligned’ with NPOC

I also know Government people in other countries who are aligned with At Large/NPOC but feel they cannot join either of these groups even if that is their passion because of their employment

You know people who can’t join NPOC because they aren’t a non-profit? The system seems to be working correctly. Honesty the argument that we should allow people who work to the government to join because of their ‘alignment with At Large/NPOC’ has strongly convinced me that we shouldn’t.

David

On 13 Sep 2019, at 9:00 pm, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

Hi I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an org whom you belong to who meets your own values

Judith

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On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> wrote:

Hi Remmy,

Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on.

Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work.

Thank you

Poncelet

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear members of NPOC, > > We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to > have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for > taking so long in finally getting round to doing it. > > Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on > it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it > to ICANN law for a review. > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... > > The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also > happens to be Friday. :) > > At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, > but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before > passing it for you to review. > > -Raoul > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> Ei > viruksia. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...> > _______________________________________________ > Npoc-discuss mailing list > Npoc-discuss@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of > your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list > accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( > https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of > Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the > Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, > including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling > delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Hello dearest Friends, I've joined the NPOC in late 2012 invited by our beloved and belated friend Béranger (RIP to him). He was one of the founders of this constituency, founded in June 2011. NPOC is the last constituency in ICANN community ecosystem. It assemble only the représentative on not-for-profit organisations not individuals even if those individuals are working for themselves as a not-for-profit activists. IMHO, an operational concern is addressed by an organization not an individual. Please, don't add more confusion in this atmosphere. My 2.cents. With my warm regards. Olévié Le 17 sept. 2019 12:29, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith@jhellerstein.com> a écrit : Hi Dave Thanks for your comments. You obviously have not been part of a non profit that is dysfunctional where people on leadership or as members feel that they cannot contribute. Where the leader just does what he/she wants and does not take advice or suggestions. I have been on these groups and others like it. I know the struggles these people face and they would like another outlet to get involved. If npoc accepted individual members they then could join. Judith Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein On Sep 16, 2019, at 9:38 PM, David Cake <dave@davecake.net> wrote: If your primary reason to be in NPOC is to not be in NCUC, you should not be in NPOC. You should join the NCSG and not join any of its constituencies if you do not qualify or want to be in either of them. The NPOC mission IS to represent non-profits. I can see some special cases for people specifically involved in non-profits, such as someone who retired from a non-profit position or otherwise is heavily involved in the non-profit - some provision has been made, I think they would still be best left as observers. The idea that we should allows individuals just to allow people who feel more ‘aligned’ with NPOC I also know Government people in other countries who are aligned with At Large/NPOC but feel they cannot join either of these groups even if that is their passion because of their employment You know people who can’t join NPOC because they aren’t a non-profit? The system seems to be working correctly. Honesty the argument that we should allow people who work to the government to join because of their ‘alignment with At Large/NPOC’ has strongly convinced me that we shouldn’t. David On 13 Sep 2019, at 9:00 pm, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote: Hi I disagree. A person may wish to be active in npoc because they believe in their mission, goals and objectives but do not believe in ncuc, so you are in effect saying no we do not want you? Why? What is the harm? The goal is to have active reps who believe and advocate and are active on the npoc mission so why exclude people. There are many reasons why you may want to join as an individual, ranging from you are in the govt, your org is not interested in applying or the org will not appoint you, you do not have an org whom you belong to who meets your own values Judith Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein On Sep 13, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji@ymca.gm> wrote: Hi Remmy, Individual members is a no no no BIG NO, we solely NGO focused it won't change. You want to be individual go NCUC. So our mission is definitely correct and should stay as it is. We done with the charter for me, Roaul did a great work on this, so why take us back on something that is done and dusted Remmy, time to move on. Please Raoul lets move on. kudos to your work. Thank you Poncelet On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 11:07, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement. Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :)

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

-Raoul

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Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity. For instance, this charter states inter alia: *3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the ExecutiveCommittee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.* I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity. Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from

the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

...

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

...

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I

could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have

one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

...

...

...

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it.

After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also

happens to be Friday. :)

...

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but

it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

...

-Raoul

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Thanks for the clarification. Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity.

For instance, this charter states inter alia:

*3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the ExecutiveCommittee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.*

I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity.

Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

...

Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted from

the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

...

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

...

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as I

could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

...

Dear members of NPOC,

We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to

have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it.

...

Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on

it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA...

...

The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also

happens to be Friday. :)

...

At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex,

but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review.

...

-Raoul

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+1 Raoul Thanks again for clarity on the thinking behind it On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 10:12, Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Judith, Dave and others,

We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.

The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organisation as a member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.

-Raoul

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks for the clarification.

Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity.

For instance, this charter states inter alia:

*3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the ExecutiveCommittee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.*

I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity.

Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

...

Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted

from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

...

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

...

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as

I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a

écrit :

...

> > Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter. > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear members of NPOC, >> >> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it. >> >> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... >> >> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :) >> >> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review. >> >> -Raoul >> >> >> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Npoc-discuss mailing list >> Npoc-discuss@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > Npoc-discuss mailing list > Npoc-discuss@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Hi John, All Thanks for your suggestion. I support closing this discussion. Thanks, <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_camp...> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_camp...> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:03 PM John More via Npoc-discuss < npoc-discuss@icann.org> wrote:

Raoul

Much appreciated. I think we should consider this discussion closed. -:)

John

On Sep 19, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Judith, Dave and others,

We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.

The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organization as a member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.

-Raoul

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks for the clarification.

Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity.

For instance, this charter states inter alia:

*3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the ExecutiveCommittee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.*

I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity.

Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

...

Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted

from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

...

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

...

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as

I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a

écrit :

...

> > Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter. > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear members of NPOC, >> >> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it. >> >> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... >> >> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :) >> >> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review. >> >> -Raoul >> >> >> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Npoc-discuss mailing list >> Npoc-discuss@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > Npoc-discuss mailing list > Npoc-discuss@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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Hi Judith and Raoul Thanks for the discussion. If its for observers purpose can we then be specific because in the near future most of us may not be there to start explanation or interpretation in this regard. I really don't know the haste in closing discussion. For goodness sake we are discussing our charter and this is comment period. Instead of asking for closure, can we allow the comment period to elapse naturally. Its better we discuss matters arising from the charter than endless interpretation there after. I salute. Remmy On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

HI Raoul

Yes this is a good solution to people who want to get active in NPOC and work to further NPOC's goals but cannot for a variety of reasons. The key here is to have observers be added to the email list serve so they can participate.

Best,

Judith

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On 9/19/2019 6:12 AM, Raoul Plommer wrote:

Hi Judith, Dave and others,

We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.

The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organisation as a member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.

-Raoul

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks for the clarification.

Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

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Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity.

For instance, this charter states inter alia:

*3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the Executive Committee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.*

I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity.

Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

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Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

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For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted

from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

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"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

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I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as

I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

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Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a

écrit :

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> > Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter. > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear members of NPOC, >> >> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it. >> >> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... >> >> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :) >> >> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review. >> >> -Raoul >> >> >> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Npoc-discuss mailing list >> Npoc-discuss@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > Npoc-discuss mailing list > Npoc-discuss@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

HI Raoul

Yes this is a good solution to people who want to get active in NPOC and work to further NPOC's goals but cannot for a variety of reasons. The key here is to have observers be added to the email list serve so they can participate.

Best,

Judith

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On 9/19/2019 6:12 AM, Raoul Plommer wrote:

Hi Judith, Dave and others,

We approached this question of allowing individual members to join NPOC more than once but wanted to keep it as it has been, thus avoiding more structural changes that could give reason for contesting the new charter even within the NCSG. We will allow for observers, who are interested in NPOC as well subject matter experts, so anyone can participate in working for NPOC's goals, even if they weren't an official member.

The bold sentence that Remmy highlighted, means that we can, in some extraordinary circumstances, allow a not-for-profit organisation as a member even if they are not a government registered entity. An example of this, could be an organisation representing LGBT+ in a country where it would be illegal to do so. Obviously a government isn't going to allow an illegal entity to register. However, at ICANN, we are a lot more liberal than most governments. We should not always take for granted, that an illegal activity is not commendable activity or necessary dissidence. This consideration of extraordinary circumstances will always be done by the EC and will likely be very rarely used, if ever.

-Raoul

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 20:37, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks for the clarification.

Le mer. 18 sept. 2019 à 17:16, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Hi Poncelet and all I raised my observation because I am aware it was discussed although I was skeptical about individual members in a body said to be representing corporate, hence I reminded us, so that it will not become contradictory contents, especially having been part of the review process and there is no plan to set us back but have a more clear and easy to understand charter devoid of ambiguity.

For instance, this charter states inter alia:

*3.1 Eligible Members* The Members of NPOC shall be comprised of not-for-profit organizations. NPOC requires member organizations to be a registered legal entity, unless, in exceptional circumstances, *the Executive Committee allows an unregistered entity to become a member on a case by case basis.*

I will like to ask what the highlighted part meant before anyone is accused of allowing individual membership which for a simple understanding is an unregistered entity.

Good evening from city of Lagos. Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi Raoul Nice to have this mission added.

However, for a start, its solely about NGOs and since we have

consideration for individual members I think such should reflect in the mission statement.

...

Regards for now Remmy

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:24 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote:

...

For some explicable reason, the 1.2., i.e. our mission was omitted

from the draft. Here it is below. I've also added it to the working document of the charter.

...

"1.2 NPOC’s mission is to represent Not-for-Profit Organizations by

addressing their operational concerns with the generic Top-level Domains (gTLDs). Operational Concerns are defined as issues arising from the use of the gTLDs by the not-for-profit organizations to achieve their own mission. Those can include but are not limited to Domain Name Fraud, Intellectual Property Abuse, Privacy, Security, Stability, and Resiliency, as well as transparent registration and continued ownership of domain names."

...

I went through the suggestions and there was nothing major, as far as

I could see. I resolved the comments and if you're happy with the above mission statement as well, we can send the charter to its next phase of the review process. Enjoy your weekend!

...

-Raoul

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 22:45, Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

Hello dearest.all. Thanks you for the update Raoul. I'll pass.through ans.seen.the.work done.since about 5 Yeats now. You're welcome. Regards. Olévié

Le ven. 30 août 2019 à 16:52, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com> a

écrit :

...

> > Welcome to our team the journey so far on this improved charter. > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 8:54 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear members of NPOC, >> >> We have finished the work on our charter in July but I wanted to have one thorough look before sending it to you for accepting it. Sorry for taking so long in finally getting round to doing it. >> >> Here is the working version and with this link you can comment on it. After we've gone through all the comments of the members, we'll pass it to ICANN law for a review. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HRcUOxtoMUzJnfXhXm-wpJd3vDmVRG9uFTRyojOA... >> >> The deadline for giving comments is 13th of September, which also happens to be Friday. :) >> >> At the end of the charter, you can also find a link to the annex, but it's unfinished at the moment, and we still need to work on it before passing it for you to review. >> >> -Raoul >> >> >> Ei viruksia. www.avast.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Npoc-discuss mailing list >> Npoc-discuss@icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > _______________________________________________ > Npoc-discuss mailing list > Npoc-discuss@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/npoc-discuss > _______________________________________________ > By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

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