Fwd: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign

April 22, 2016

      Dear Rudi,

please take note of these 3 e-mails from colleagues in the NCSG, as a 
sample of the members that consider these accumulation of initiatives, 
as important each one may be,  a distraction from policy work the GNSO 
council is supported to do.

I strongly believe that these initiatives would go to the CWG on IG, or 
even better to ALAC, and we all at NPOC should concentrate back to the 
narrow remit of the GNSO Council.

Best regards

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
+506 8837 7176
Skype: carlos.raulg
Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
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From: Mueller, Milton L <milton@GATECH.EDU>
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:14:21 +0000
Grace
As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we 
have, I was against it at the time. ?
My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and 
before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns 
and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making 
authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long 
debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed 
to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste.  It's not like we have too 
little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal 
endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga 
<ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously 
supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds
Grace
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM<mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
To: 
NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross 
<robin@ipjustice.org<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Agreed.
Thanks,
Robin
...
On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez G. 
<crg@isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
@Milton +1
Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
+506 8837 7176
Skype: carlos.raulg
Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
...
I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these 
initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many 
of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All 
does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had 
better stick to our basic mission.
--MM
...
-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-Discuss 
[mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>] 
On Behalf Of
James Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
To: 
NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an 
infrastructure related
campaign.
Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that 
this may be
more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to
endorse?
On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Ra?l 
Guti?rrez G."
<NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> 
on behalf of crg@ISOC-CR.ORG<mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote:
...
Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could 
also be
part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
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From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM>
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:12:59 -0400
I think Milton is exactly right.  We have more than enough on our 
plate in this group respecting issues that are tied to IANA policy 
that affects us all.  We don’t need to become a broader policy forum 
for things that are beyond our remit.  Indeed, we just spent a huge 
amount of political capital making sure that these things were outside 
the scope of what ICANN is going to do … for good reason
Paul
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From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Mueller, Milton L
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:14 PM
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Grace
As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we 
have, I was against it at the time. 😉
My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and 
before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns 
and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making 
authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long 
debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed 
to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste.  It's not like we have too 
little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal 
endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM 
<mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously 
supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds
Grace
_____
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org 
<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org> > wrote:
Agreed.
Thanks,
Robin
...
On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. 
<crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> > wrote:
@Milton +1
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
+506 8837 7176
Skype: carlos.raulg
Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
...
I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these 
initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many 
of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All 
does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had 
better stick to our basic mission.
--MM
...
-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> ] On Behalf Of
James Gannon
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an 
infrastructure related
campaign.
Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that 
this may be
more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to
endorse?
On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl 
Gutiérrez G."
<NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>  on behalf of 
crg@ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG> > wrote:
...
Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could 
also be
part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
Forwarded message:
...
From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA>
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:32:43 -0400
+1  Lots of pdp work going on.  Need help.  Useful to know about this, 
distracting from main mission to spend time on formal endorsement in 
my view.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2016-04-21 18:14, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
...
Grace
As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we 
have, I was against it at the time. ��
My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent 
and before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse 
campaigns and causes that are not related to our actual scope of 
policy making authority. Some of those issues might divide us, 
leading to long debates that detract from our ability to do the 
things we are supposed to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste.  It's not like we have too 
little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal 
endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM 
<mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com>> wrote:
...
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously 
supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds
Grace
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400
From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org 
<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Agreed.
Thanks,
    Robin
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G.
    <crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
    >
    > @Milton +1
    >
    >
    > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
    > +506 8837 7176
    > Skype: carlos.raulg
    > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
    > On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
    >
    >> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing
    these initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals,
    and many of its members may be interested in joining in, but
    #Internet4All does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and
    I think we had better stick to our basic mission.
    >>
    >> --MM
    >>
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
    <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>] On Behalf Of
    >>> James Gannon
    >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM
    >>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
    <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
    >>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
    >>>
    >>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an
    infrastructure related
    >>> campaign.
    >>>
    >>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is
    that this may be
    >>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and 
organisations to
    >>> endorse?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos 
Raúl
    Gutiérrez G."
    >>> <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
    <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of
    crg@ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity?
    Could also be
    >>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified 
opinion.
    >>>>
    >

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G.

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