Dear Rudi, please take note of these 3 e-mails from colleagues in the NCSG, as a sample of the members that consider these accumulation of initiatives, as important each one may be, a distraction from policy work the GNSO council is supported to do. I strongly believe that these initiatives would go to the CWG on IG, or even better to ALAC, and we all at NPOC should concentrate back to the narrow remit of the GNSO Council. Best regards Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) Forwarded message:
From: Mueller, Milton L <milton@GATECH.EDU> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:14:21 +0000
Grace As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we have, I was against it at the time. ? My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds Grace
________________________________ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400 From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM<mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote: Agreed.
Thanks, Robin
On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez G. <crg@isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote:
@Milton +1
Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had better stick to our basic mission.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>] On Behalf Of James Gannon Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an infrastructure related campaign.
Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that this may be more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to endorse?
On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez G." <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of crg@ISOC-CR.ORG<mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote:
Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could also be part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
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From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@REDBRANCHCONSULTING.COM> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:12:59 -0400
I think Milton is exactly right. We have more than enough on our plate in this group respecting issues that are tied to IANA policy that affects us all. We don’t need to become a broader policy forum for things that are beyond our remit. Indeed, we just spent a huge amount of political capital making sure that these things were outside the scope of what ICANN is going to do … for good reason
Paul
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From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Mueller, Milton L Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:14 PM To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Grace
As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we have, I was against it at the time. 😉
My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds
Grace
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400 From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org> > wrote:
Agreed.
Thanks, Robin
On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> > wrote:
@Milton +1
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had better stick to our basic mission.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> ] On Behalf Of James Gannon Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign
Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an infrastructure related campaign.
Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that this may be more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to endorse?
On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of crg@ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG> > wrote:
Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could also be part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion.
Forwarded message:
From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:32:43 -0400
+1 Lots of pdp work going on. Need help. Useful to know about this, distracting from main mission to spend time on formal endorsement in my view. Stephanie Perrin
On 2016-04-21 18:14, Mueller, Milton L wrote:
Grace As far as I know we have not endorsed anything as NCUC - but if we have, I was against it at the time. �� My concern is that this seemingly innocuous issue sets a precedent and before you know it we get 20 requests per year to endorse campaigns and causes that are not related to our actual scope of policy making authority. Some of those issues might divide us, leading to long debates that detract from our ability to do the things we are supposed to do.
I see potential for a huge time waste. It's not like we have too little to do
So: publicity among and endorsements by NCUC members, Yes. Formal endorsement by NCUC, No.
Milton L Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
On Apr 20, 2016, at 13:57, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Deserves support. Highly recommended. Has NCUC not previously supported non domain issues that are internet related?
Rgds Grace
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:48:21 -0400 From: douglaskarel@GMAIL.COM <mailto:douglaskarel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu>
Yes , +1 and Definitely!
This is a good initiative worthy of our support!
regards
Karel
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org <mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote:
Agreed.
Thanks, Robin
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote: > > @Milton +1 > > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) > On 20 Apr 2016, at 10:42, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > >> I agree, NCUC/NCSG are appropriate vehicles for publicizing these initiatives among civil society organizations/individuals, and many of its members may be interested in joining in, but #Internet4All does not seem to be a domain name policy issue and I think we had better stick to our basic mission. >> >> --MM >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NCSG-Discuss [mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>] On Behalf Of >>> James Gannon >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:26 PM >>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> >>> Subject: Re: Invitation to join the #Internet4All campaign >>> >>> Just on this point I hope that as this seems to be an infrastructure related >>> campaign. >>> >>> Still reading about it at the moment but my gut reaction is that this may be >>> more appropriate for individual NCUC members and organisations to >>> endorse? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20/04/2016, 17:12, "NCSG-Discuss on behalf of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >>> <NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of crg@ISOC-CR.ORG <mailto:crg@ISOC-CR.ORG>> wrote: >>> >>>> Is ICANN (regional) staff participating in this activity? Could also be >>>> part of the information we may need for a qualified opinion. >>>> >