Monte, As Ross pointed out, that 15% cap will not be difficult to increase. If we start down that path with the 15% cap as our goal, we will be disappointed. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Monte Cahn [mailto:monte@moniker.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:44 PM To: 'Tim Ruiz'; ross@tucows.com Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval My email was not directed to you specifically, it is just to lay a foundation about this issue that we continue to go around and around since it was released. I feel that the registries should be paying more...after all, they are far more profitable than all of us and we are their customer. I said this before and if they have a cap on what they can charge us, then good. Let them raise with caution. If their cap to us is only 15% then our cost goes up $.09 per domain (or less) vs. $.18.... None of us win with this increase. The registries still win with the increase. Monte Cahn Founder/CEO Monte@Moniker.com Monte@DomainSystems.com O - 954-984-8445 F - 954-969-9155 Moniker.com - ICANN Accredited Corporate Domain Management Services DomainSystems.com - Domain Sales & After-market Services CoolHandle.com - World Class Hosting and Email Solutions -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:34 PM To: 'Monte Cahn'; ross@tucows.com Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval Monte, I never meant to suggest that we shouldn't be firm. I am concerned that if we are not careful we may take ourselves out of the process altogether. All we are really doing when we vote is deciding whether we want to pay ICANN directly, or through the registries, we do not really *approve* the budget. Our leverage and/or opportunity to affect the budget is because of this vote. After ICANN has worked its way around that once, I believe our voice may be drastically diminished from then on. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Monte Cahn [mailto:monte@moniker.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:56 PM To: 'Tim Ruiz'; ross@tucows.com Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval Well - it appears we are not left in a very good position today. I feel that just laying over and letting this happen without putting forth a firm stance on what our position is on this issue is a big mistake. Look what just happened to us as Registrars this year. What makes you think that this process will not continue next year (or in 3 years) and the year after. Let's not be afraid to make a stance with ICANN, we are being too easy on this issue. Look at the letter that Paul Kane put out. Be the squeaky wheel that needs oil! Let's draw a definite line in the sand regardless of what happens to us this year so that next year/years we do use our leverage with the registries and other sources to supplement the increase yet to come. Also we are spending way too much time away from our business complaining, disagreeing with each other based on our relative business models and size. Don't you think that ICANN knows that the top 10 Registrars control 80% of the domains today and the reason they were consulted with only them? Although I see that top 10 picture changing over the next 12 months, it is important that we all stay unified and together as a group on the future of our industry. Internet users are predicted to double again in the next 3-5 years and we can all share in the registrations and complementary services if we stay together. Just my thoughts. Monte Cahn Founder/CEO Monte@Moniker.com Monte@DomainSystems.com O - 954-984-8445 F - 954-969-9155 Moniker.com - ICANN Accredited Corporate Domain Management Services DomainSystems.com - Domain Sales & After-market Services CoolHandle.com - World Class Hosting and Email Solutions -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:30 PM To: ross@tucows.com; 'Monte Cahn' Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: RE: [registrars] 66% needed for approval Exactly. Also, once they have this worked out where do you think that is going to leave us next year and the year after that as far as having a significant voice in this process? Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:58 AM To: Monte Cahn Cc: 'Rob Hall'; 'Jean-Michel Becar'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: Re: [registrars] 66% needed for approval On 5/27/2004 10:41 AM Monte Cahn noted that:
I think we are on to something here.....
Doubtful. It only requires the consent of ICANN to modify this contract. I think it would be pretty easy for the various registries to draw up a quick Christmas list of things they want in exchange for signing a revised contract that lifts these caps. I also expect that this could be done in a couple of weeks, behind closed doors and likely seal our fate permanently. The problem of the size of the budget doesn't go away no matter how many potential angles we come up with. We can either focus on that or, in my opinion, lose (big). -- -rwr "Don't be too timid and squeamish about your actions. All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Got Blog? http://www.blogware.com My Blogware: http://www.byte.org