Patricio, The per-registrar fee is a variable fee based on expenses directly related to supporting accredited registrars. The overall amount of that fee will fluctuate based on the number of accredited registrars (BTW, The currently proposed budget is based on a registrar count of approx. 190). So if there were a significant drop off in accredited registrars the amount allocated to the per registrar fee to support them would go down from the $3.8MM and may not result in any increase in the individual fee allocated or at least not be as big of an increase as you indicate. Also, you'll note that the annual accreditation fees are being reduced from $4000 for the first TLD plus $500 for each additional one, to a flat $4000. So if you are offering COM, NET, ORG, INFO, and BIZ that would reduce the annual accreditation fee by $2000. More if you offer .NAME, .PRO, etc. This offsets a portion of any per-registrar variable fee. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Patricio Valdes [mailto:valdes@parava.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:06 AM To: 'Tim Ruiz'; 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: RE: [registrars] ICANN Proposed budget is out for public comment Tim, Although you are correct in regards to accreditations being acquired for the purpose of renting our connections, whats going to happen when WLS goes into effect? These Registrars, which I am sure are many, will eventually go out of business. What does this mean? That the remaining Registrars have to pay for them! ICANN estimates 250 Registrars, which I doubt once WLS goes into effect. I personally believe it going to be more like 150. So $3.8M / 150 = $25k Although for the big Registrars this means nothing, for us the smaller ones is the difference between staying alive or becoming one of your resellers. Patricio Valdes Parava Networks, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:54 AM To: 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: Re: [registrars] ICANN Proposed budget is out for public comment Rick and All, When I asked for the opportunity to represent the RC on the Budget Advisory Group (BAG) I stated that I felt there were three primary areas of concern: 1. Reexamining the registrars' funding model. 2. ICANN's future, which I believe affects our businesses' future. 3. Alternative forms of funding. I believe the proposed budget addresses these concerns, keeping in mind that it is part of a three plan. 1. Reexamining the registrars' funding model. --------------------------------------------- The current funding model, based on names under management, is neither predictable nor sustainable. When we sell a multiple year registration we really have no idea what the true cost is because we cannot predict what our fees to ICANN will be next year, or ten years from now. The transactional model will help solve that. First, we will know precisely the cost of registrations. If we sell a ten year registration today we will pay the current transactional fee and be done with it. Second, it allows us to more accurately set our pricing and pass the true cost on to registrants. I understand the concerns of some of the smaller registrars regarding the per registrar portion of the variable fee. This is the feedback the reps on the BAG need now. If registrars would prefer to see a higher transactional fee in return for a lower per registrar variable fee I am confident that your reps on the BAG, including myself, would represent that concern to the ICANN staff and rest of the BAG. I will point out however, that we have also heard concerns about accreditations being acquired simply for the purpose of renting out connections. Without commenting pro or con to such a business model, a higher per registrar variable fee would ensure that such registrars pay an appropriate portion in ICANN fees since the number of names under management by such registrars is relatively very low. A significant portion of the expense created by registrars does not depend on the number of transactions or the number of names under management, but is roughly the same across all accreditations. It seems appropriate that that portion be allocated equally across all registrars, regardless of business model. 2. ICANN's future, which I believe affects our businesses' future. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Do we believe that ICANN is important to the future of the DNS and our industry? If so: --They need to be able to meet the requirements of the MoU. --They need to be able to address threats such as law suites, the WSIS, etc. --They need to be able to enforce their agreements. The next three years' budget should reflect the ability to appropriately address those issues. I believe the level of this years' budget is appropriate based on those goals. Note, it has been reduced at least twice based on feedback and concerns expressed by various stakeholders, primarily registrars. 3. Alternative forms of funding. -------------------------------- Again, this year's budget proposal is part of a three year plan. You will note that it fixes the transactional fee at the proposed level over that three year period, relying instead on increases in transactional activity. Since transactional fees are based on realized revenue, increases in transactional activity will somewhat increase funds to ICANN yet have much less impact on registrars. By holding this fee steady, ICANN will also be motivated to meet appropriate goals in acquiring funding from alternative sources. Your reps on the BAG, as well as numerous other stakeholders, have suggested many alternative funding ideas to the ICANN staff, as well as encouraged increased funding from ccTLDs and the RIRs. While we do not see the level of funding from these sources increasing as much as we would like in this years budget, there are reasons to be encouraged that that will change over the next two years of this three plan. The RIRs funding has increased over 50% this year, and holding steady on the level of the registrar transactional fee will motivate ICANN to pursue its commitment to increase RIR funding to more appropriate levels. The establishing of the NRO and its MoU with ICANN will also put ICANN in a better position to pursue that goal. The formation of the ccNSO also creates a better situation for ICANN to pursue agreements with ccTLD operators and increase funding from them over the coming years. There will be new agreements with new sTLD and gTLD operators over the next few years. The ICANN staff has indicated that consideration will be given to increased funding from these new TLDs: increased fees; fees associated with new registry services, etc. As existing TLD agreements come up for renewal they can be brought into line with such additional sources. ICANN has committed to pursuing funding opportunities associated with other stakeholders and commercial entities that benefit from ICANN functions. Again, funding from these sources is not at the level we would like to see in this year's budget proposal. But I am encouraged from the level of participation that the ICANN staff has sought this year in formulating its budget. I am encouraged by having seen them make numerous adjustments to the budget based on feedback and input from numerous stakeholders, including registrars. And I believe we will see the same level of commitment in the upcoming years as ICANN pursues and increases these other areas of funding. I encourage all registrars to study the entire proposal carefully and submit your comments, concerns, and questions to your BAG reps (Rob, Elana, and myself). Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rick Wesson Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:58 PM To: Jean-Michel Becar Cc: 'Registrars Constituency' Subject: Re: [registrars] ICANN Proposed budget is out for public comment would those that have served on the budget committee provide specific comments on just what they did? It appears that the registrars burden will have increased 150% and I'm doubting that our reps did the registrars any good. would the reps on the budget committee please provide specific comments on just how they "helped" us this time? thanks, -rick Jean-Michel Becar wrote:
Dear fellows registrars,
The ICANN proposed budget for 2004 just get out for public comment. Enjoy the reading. Jean-Michel