Hello Tom,
1. Publish the list of registrars that you consider eligible to vote in this election.
A good idea.
From the bylaws at: http://www.icann-registrars.org/docs/gnso-rc-bylaws.doc
"2.4. Publication of Membership - Contact details for each Member, and Registered Representatives shall be published on the Registrar Constituency web site. This publication will constitute the formal membership of the Constituency. Only Representatives listed in this publication will be able to vote or otherwise fully participate in the business of the Constituency unless the Member has appointed a new representative per Section 2.2 and 2.3 of these bylaws" There currently is not a list of members published on the constituency website (http://www.icann-registrars.org).
2. For those registrars not on the official list: outline the specific criteria, process and deadline that needs to be followed for them to become eligible to vote for this election.
The criteria are clear: you must be an ICANN accredited registrar The process is less clear. I believe that there is currently a $750 joining fee and then an annual fee. I don't believe an annual fee has been charged since 2002. Here are some historical links to the postings on memberships that I could find: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03579.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00355.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00357.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00595.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00663.html Here is a treasurers report for 2002 http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03793.html One of the tasks for the registrars constituency is to agree a budget and fees structure. I am in favour of an annual fee, as this helps keep our membership list current. I am also in favour of the constituency including in the budget, funds for paying someone to manage this process and keep the membership list up-to-date and published on our official website. Regards, Bruce
Evening Bruce, Comments interlinear.
1. Publish the list of registrars that you consider eligible to vote in this election.
A good idea.
I differ. Bob is one of four (now three) members of the ExCom. The member of the ExCom responsible for acceptance of payment by ICANN accredited registrars to join the RC is the treasurer, not the secretary. This revists the issues of who could vote at the WDC RC meeting, and yes, it is unfortunate that we're still having to finesse a working definition of "dues owed" and registrars "paid" and "unpaid". See also my comment on Bob's remark re: "phantom registrars", below.
From the bylaws at: http://www.icann-registrars.org/docs/gnso-rc-bylaws.doc
"2.4. Publication of Membership - Contact details for each Member, and Registered Representatives shall be published on the Registrar Constituency web site. This publication will constitute the formal membership of the Constituency. Only Representatives listed in this publication will be able to vote or otherwise fully participate in the business of the Constituency unless the Member has appointed a new representative per Section 2.2 and 2.3 of these bylaws"
There currently is not a list of members published on the constituency website (http://www.icann-registrars.org).
I asked Bob earlier today for a copy of the ByLaws. He mentioned that I'd also need the "Rules". I'd appreciate pointers to these if anyone has these hand. Somehow I'm not surprised there is no published list. The entire web project (upgrade RC site) hasn't happened (yet).
2. For those registrars not on the official list: outline the specific criteria, process and deadline that needs to be followed for them to become eligible to vote for this election.
The criteria are clear: you must be an ICANN accredited registrar
The process is less clear.
I believe that there is currently a $750 joining fee and then an annual fee.
I don't believe an annual fee has been charged since 2002.
Here are some historical links to the postings on memberships that I could find: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03579.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00355.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00357.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00595.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00663.html
Here is a treasurers report for 2002 http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03793.html
Off list I've suggested that the one attorney for a newly accredited registrar who contacted me (God knows why me) offer a grand, with the understanding that the slop will slosh into the correct bucket after the budget vote. I never heard if Donna accepted the offer and booked the payment and conditional refund or balance due. I sent a query to the current ExCom before going on holiday (mostly spent playing dodge the hurricanes) with no reply that I know of, and asked essentially the same question to the ExCom yesterday. Bob's reply is why letting Bob decide causes me some concern. He wrote expressing a concern about "phantom registrars". Since ICANN has accredited the registrars so characterized, and since there is nothing in our ByLaws that speakes to the lack of standing of such a registrar to join, or remain in, the RC, I'm certain that even handed treatment in determining membership is prudent.
One of the tasks for the registrars constituency is to agree a budget and fees structure.
I agree, but this can't be a barrier to newly accredited registrars joining the RC, should they choose.
I am in favour of an annual fee, as this helps keep our membership list current. I am also in favour of the constituency including in the budget, funds for paying someone to manage this process and keep the membership list up-to-date and published on our official website.
Agree. We're going to pay in lost time anyway. Thanks for doing the list search. Eric
Bob, While I do need to read the RC bylaws and rules, which I now have thanks to Tim (ASCII is always appreciated) and Bruce (URL also appreciated), I was aware of the one vote per controlling interest restriction. That (RC voting rights) wasn't an issue at Rome, in the context of WLS, which is what I _think_ pre-2003 registrars mean when they express some concern about gaming the (unspecified) definition of a "registrar". The issue of defining "legitimacy" is probably not going to go away any time soon, possibly because of the rate of new accreditations. I'll write Dan later today and ask for specifics on accreditations. The registry constituency should have some dim awareness, at least of the rate of growth of drop pool address space and thread access to the CNO registry set. Another letter to write. Submitting applications at a rate of 100/mo must consume a considerable amount of ICANN staff resources. As I watch my own backorder revenue tend towards zero, it concerns me some. I don't think anyone has given much thought to how registry-registrar authentication "works", or how ICANN registry constituency process "works", where the size of the set of gtld-accredited registrars is not on the order of 100, but on the order of 1,000 or 10,000. This was discussed briefly in the PROVREG WG in the context of James Seng's alternative model, and not adopted due to the problem of scaling the EPP authentication mechanism orders of magnitude greater then the then-70-or-so registrars. It just occured to me tht at some point, the rate of accreditation can exceed the rate of OT&E scheduled resources at the registries, resulting in queue growth. We (or at least me) could be concerned that per-thread drop pool revenue is in free-fall, or that the RC's process is about to be swallowed by hundreds of new independent registrars who share a single, or some few "registrar incubators" as their points of origin, or that one of the many design assumptions of the existing set of provisioning protocols is forseeably invalidated, or all three. Thank you for the additional data you've sent me. There is some humor in all of this. Try and avoid going to the beach on typhoon days. MB the kids and I tried this at Cape Hatteras two weeks ago. The surfing was good, but there are some down-sides to torrential rain and high winds. Eric
At 06:25 PM 8/31/04, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
Hello Tom,
1. Publish the list of registrars that you consider eligible to vote in this election.
A good idea.
From the bylaws at: http://www.icann-registrars.org/docs/gnso-rc-bylaws.doc
"2.4. Publication of Membership - Contact details for each Member, and Registered Representatives shall be published on the Registrar Constituency web site. This publication will constitute the formal membership of the Constituency. Only Representatives listed in this publication will be able to vote or otherwise fully participate in the business of the Constituency unless the Member has appointed a new representative per Section 2.2 and 2.3 of these bylaws"
There currently is not a list of members published on the constituency website (http://www.icann-registrars.org).
Dear Bruce: We keep chasing our tails:-( The old web site is a mess -- written using Microsoft Home Page -- spaces, mixed upper and lower cases in file names and directory names. Ross is working on a more friendly web site -- the money for it is in the budget -- thus we must vote on budget before anything else!!! Cordially, BobC, Secretary
2. For those registrars not on the official list: outline the specific criteria, process and deadline that needs to be followed for them to become eligible to vote for this election.
The criteria are clear: you must be an ICANN accredited registrar
The process is less clear.
I believe that there is currently a $750 joining fee and then an annual fee.
I don't believe an annual fee has been charged since 2002.
Here are some historical links to the postings on memberships that I could find: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03579.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00355.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00357.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00595.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00663.html
Here is a treasurers report for 2002 http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03793.html
One of the tasks for the registrars constituency is to agree a budget and fees structure.
I am in favour of an annual fee, as this helps keep our membership list current. I am also in favour of the constituency including in the budget, funds for paying someone to manage this process and keep the membership list up-to-date and published on our official website.
Regards, Bruce
Bob: I will review my old files to provide you with the previous records. Obviously that would not include any fees collected since last Sring when the former ExCom stepped down. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org]On Behalf Of Robert F. Connelly Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:05 PM To: Registrars Constituency Subject: Re: [registrars] Regarding membership list At 06:25 PM 8/31/04, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
Hello Tom,
1. Publish the list of registrars that you consider eligible to vote in this election.
A good idea.
From the bylaws at: http://www.icann-registrars.org/docs/gnso-rc-bylaws.doc
"2.4. Publication of Membership - Contact details for each Member, and Registered Representatives shall be published on the Registrar Constituency web site. This publication will constitute the formal membership of the Constituency. Only Representatives listed in this publication will be able to vote or otherwise fully participate in the business of the Constituency unless the Member has appointed a new representative per Section 2.2 and 2.3 of these bylaws"
There currently is not a list of members published on the constituency website (http://www.icann-registrars.org).
Dear Bruce: We keep chasing our tails:-( The old web site is a mess -- written using Microsoft Home Page -- spaces, mixed upper and lower cases in file names and directory names. Ross is working on a more friendly web site -- the money for it is in the budget -- thus we must vote on budget before anything else!!! Cordially, BobC, Secretary
2. For those registrars not on the official list: outline the specific criteria, process and deadline that needs to be followed for them to become eligible to vote for this election.
The criteria are clear: you must be an ICANN accredited registrar
The process is less clear.
I believe that there is currently a $750 joining fee and then an annual fee.
I don't believe an annual fee has been charged since 2002.
Here are some historical links to the postings on memberships that I could find: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03579.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00355.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00357.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00595.html http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc02/msg00663.html
Here is a treasurers report for 2002 http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/registrars/Arc01/msg03793.html
One of the tasks for the registrars constituency is to agree a budget and fees structure.
I am in favour of an annual fee, as this helps keep our membership list current. I am also in favour of the constituency including in the budget, funds for paying someone to manage this process and keep the membership list up-to-date and published on our official website.
Regards, Bruce
participants (4)
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Bruce Tonkin -
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine -
Michael D. Palage -
Robert F. Connelly