Tim, I believe the ballot for Chair is structured improperly according to our bylaws and a previous ballot. On Aug 1, 2003, the Constituency held a vote as to how and when voting results should be displayed. You can see the results at https://www.boardrooms.org/apps/org/workgroup/registrars/ballot.php?id=61& The result was that individual voting results would be published in real time during the entire voting period. However, on the new Chair ballot presented, I notice that the ballot and voting procedure is not adhering to this standard, namely that the results of the individual votes are being with-held until after the close of the auction. Can you please fix this, so we are in line with our rules on procedure. I realize that technically you may need to withdraw the ballot, and re-start it, but I believe it is always best to be in line with our rules and regulations. Rob.
Hi, I guess Robert Connelly would know how to fix this. There maybe a setting that may allow one to do this despite the fact that the ballot has opened. Bob can confirm this Best Regards Bhavin Turakhia Founder, CEO and Chairman DirectI -------------------------------------- http://www.directi.com Direct Line: +91 (22) 5679 7600 Direct Fax: +91 (22) 5679 7510 Board Line (USA): +1 (415) 240 4172 Board Line (India): +91 (22) 5679 7500 --------------------------------------
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rob Hall Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:25 AM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: registrars@dnso.org Subject: [registrars] Improper Balloting
Tim,
I believe the ballot for Chair is structured improperly according to our bylaws and a previous ballot.
On Aug 1, 2003, the Constituency held a vote as to how and when voting results should be displayed. You can see the results at https://www.boardrooms.org/apps/org/workgroup/registrars/ballo t.php?id=61&
The result was that individual voting results would be published in real time during the entire voting period.
However, on the new Chair ballot presented, I notice that the ballot and voting procedure is not adhering to this standard, namely that the results of the individual votes are being with-held until after the close of the auction.
Can you please fix this, so we are in line with our rules on procedure. I realize that technically you may need to withdraw the ballot, and re-start it, but I believe it is always best to be in line with our rules and regulations.
Rob.
At 03:15 AM 9/20/04, Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
The result was that individual voting results would be published in real time during the entire voting period.
However, on the new Chair ballot presented, I notice that the ballot and voting procedure is not adhering to this standard, namely that the results of the individual votes are being with-held until after the close of the auction.
Dear Tim: You misread the results. 52% voted against such a system. Rick told us there was no alternative in Boardrooms.com but I find there is considerable flexibility. For example, Thomas Mörz was among those who asked that only the summary be made public. I find that option also exists. Regards, BobC
Bob, That's not correct. Please review the results again. 52% of the membership did vote, but 48% of those voting wanted the individual voting results to be available during the entire voting period. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. Connelly Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:13 AM To: Registrars Constituency Subject: RE: [registrars] Improper Balloting At 03:15 AM 9/20/04, Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
The result was that individual voting results would be published in real time during the entire voting period.
However, on the new Chair ballot presented, I notice that the ballot and voting procedure is not adhering to this standard, namely that the results of the individual votes are being with-held until after the close of the auction.
Dear Tim: You misread the results. 52% voted against such a system. Rick told us there was no alternative in Boardrooms.com but I find there is considerable flexibility. For example, Thomas Mörz was among those who asked that only the summary be made public. I find that option also exists. Regards, BobC
Tim, that is how I remind the result of that ballot as well (I voted against it and was very disappointed that it passed but never mind .-)) tom Am 20.09.2004 schrieb Tim Ruiz:
Bob,
That's not correct. Please review the results again. 52% of the membership did vote, but 48% of those voting wanted the individual voting results to be available during the entire voting period.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-registrars@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert F. Connelly Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:13 AM To: Registrars Constituency Subject: RE: [registrars] Improper Balloting
At 03:15 AM 9/20/04, Bhavin Turakhia wrote:
The result was that individual voting results would be published in real time during the entire voting period.
However, on the new Chair ballot presented, I notice that the ballot and voting procedure is not adhering to this standard, namely that the results of the individual votes are being with-held until after the close of the auction.
Dear Tim: You misread the results. 52% voted against such a system.
Rick told us there was no alternative in Boardrooms.com but I find there is considerable flexibility. For example, Thomas Mörz was among those who asked that only the summary be made public. I find that option also exists.
Regards, BobC
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At 09:01 AM 9/20/04, Thomas Keller wrote:
Tim,
that is how I remember the result of that ballot as well (I voted against it and was very disappointed that it passed but never mind .-))
Dear Thomas: 52% voted for some kind of restriction of access to the votes prior to the closing of the ballot. It is correct that you were one of those who cast such a vote. Regards, BobC
tom
Hello all, After working with Elena and Mike over the last few years, I have come to realize just how much time it takes to be the Chair of this constituency. I have also realized how important it is for the Chair to be present at ICANN meetings, to not only marshal the wild bunch of Registrars in our meeting, but also to put forth our views to ICANN in both the public forums and often in smaller meetings with the board and staff. So, in order to help me make my decision (once BOB gets the ballot sorted out), can each of you please answer the following questions: 1. How much time can you dedicate to being the Chair of the constituency ? 2. How many ICANN meetings have you travelled to in the past ? 3. Are you able to travel to all of the future ICANN meetings ? The more info you can give me, the better. I apologize for not knowing each of you better personally, but I trust that will change in the next year. Rob.
Rob, 1. How much time can you dedicate to being the Chair of the constituency ? Desultory email reading time ouside of meeting dates, much more time the weeks befoe and after a meeting, and the concalls and the prep time those take with the Registries. There is the ExCom time itself that I guess is a few hours a week of internal work too. 2. How many ICANN meetings have you travelled to in the past ? Stockholm, Montevideo, Marina del Rey (all 2001, and I was on the other side of the table, for registries, against registrars), and Rome (2004). I think of the WDC RC meeting as being a quasi-ICANN meeting, so I count that one too, though you may not. 3. Are you able to travel to all of the future ICANN meetings ? I am unwilling to commit to unconditionally attending all future ICANN meetings. As you will recall, I wrote the following last May in the context of the budget:
Subject: Re: [registrars] RE: Appeal to ICANN Finance committee to modify ICANN Budget proposal ...
I'm not going to KL, but, if none of us go, then we've said something to ICANN they can't ignore (cause we could boycott CT too), and we're also doing our little part to reduce ICANN's fine dining and exotic travel budget. It is five grand saved, or paid towards keeping my ICANN chit current.
Does anyone have a business issue that is at issue in KL that has greater current and recurring value than getting the BOD to make fees predictable and the model rational, or at least predictable?
I do business with a registry located in Reston, another Registry located in Toronto, and a third registry I'm willing to bet will be located between Reston and Toronto. The current regulator is in Los Angeles, and its authorizing agency is in Washington. There is no buisness or regulatory case for expensive ICANN travel for registrars as a group that can't be met at a lower cost by other means. Bear with me while I step back. I helped set up the bid by Accra to win the March 2002 meeting. ICANN will not return to Accra or West sub-Saharan Africa in the forseeable future. The same could be said for Montevideo or Santiago or Cape Town, places on the needy side of the Digital Divide. The traveling circus offers no enduring benefit to the hosts, they don't end up with better net infrastructure, or improvements to their national registries, or a registrar-in-a-can training to service what ISPs exist when we leave and return to the First World. This is a wicked stupid way to spend money, thought the tourism and fine wining and dining is rather fun. If we are to leave North America and Europe on ICANN pilgrimages, we could do some good by going to the same places twice and thrice. In addition, if (big if) ICANN were less like a diplomatic showboat and more like a working institution, our "other" office(s) would be in Mexico City or Accra or someplace where our being there grows the domain industry and has a lower lifetime cost, and if MdR ever "goes dark" for whatever reason, provides business continuity at a vastly lower cost. So, thats the positive, constructive view of why ICANN should travel less, or travel to the same places for many years. I want better ROI for the "basic spectator attendence" ticket to ICANN's annual cycle of migration. Now I'm going to try and tackle a harder problem, one that is less based on hope and optimism. I don't share Elliot Noss' cheery view of ICANN. I think that as a body, registrars should withold travel to ICANN meetings until we have resolved the budget issue, and obtained a sea-change improvement in our relationship to the BoD. I think that as a body, registrars should initiate discussions with the WSIW, and in particular, explore the issues that any change in the "accreditation" authority would entail. I think that as a body, registrars should conduct more business independently, as we did at the WDC meeting. I've written long enough. What I personally feel is not something we've discussed or balloted as a group. Thanks for the question Rob. Eric
Hi Rob: As you know, I am replacing Elana as the Director of Policy at Register.com. I believe that my conversations with her prior to her departure have given me a good sense of the significant time required in order to serve as the Chair of the constituency. Before accepting the nomination for Chair, I made appropriate adjustments to my work responsibilities to ensure that I would be capable of making the necessary commitment of time and energy to the constituency.
1. How much time can you dedicate to being the Chair of the constituency ?
Register.com is very committed to making my time available to serve the constituency. Since Elana was serving as Chair during her employment at Register.com, we understand that there is a significant time obligation involved with the role, and historically the company has been willing to dedicate whatever time it takes in order to serve the constituency. In practical terms, this means that there may be times (particularly around major ICANN events) where essentially my full time job is as constituency Chair.
2. How many ICANN meetings have you travelled to in the past ?
With the exception of the Rio meeting in 2003, I attended all ICANN meetings between the LA meeting in 2000 and the Carthage meeting in 2003. Because Elana filled the Director of Policy role for Register.com until recently, I did not attend the ICANN meetings so far in 2004; however, I anticipate that I will be at Cape Town and all future ICANN meetings.
3. Are you able to travel to all of the future ICANN meetings ?
Yes. I expect to be at all future ICANN meetings, and as Chair I would also expect to occasionally travel to other functions when required to represent the constituency (or to other constituency meetings separate from general ICANN meetings). Fortunately, my employer has a proven history of making the time and funding available to allow me to be quite certain of my ability to continue to attend constituency functions. Jordyn
Hi Rob,
1. How much time can you dedicate to being the Chair of the constituency ?
This is a very interesting question. The reason this question is interesting is this question was the only one that required thinking with regards to my accepting the nomination for this post. I have as you are all aware spent a large number of hours working towards various issues that affect the community. I welcome this opportunity to now do so in an official capacity and therefore before I accepted I wanted to make sure that I can give justice to this post if elected Jordynn had the good fortune to obtain insight about the time commitments for this post from Elana in person. I have, in order to come to a conclusion, spoken to Elana via phone, and to others who are currently in the ex-com as well as others who have served in the ex-com in the past in various capacities. I spent 3 days simply determining the responsibilities that this task brings in. In the end I realised that the amount of time I would be required to spend both during normal times as well as peak times (before ICANN meetings) is not much more than I already spend in relation to Registrar issues. I believe several hours a week are sufficient to carry out the role envisioned (with higher pressures during meeting times) and I have the ability to dedicate those hours without any issues
2. How many ICANN meetings have you travelled to in the past ?
All meetings in 2004 (will be at Cape Town too). In the past before that I have travelled to every alternate meeting. My decision of attending a meeting was entirely based on whether it is required for me and my company to do so, and not based on funds availability or time issues.
3. Are you able to travel to all of the future ICANN meetings ?
YES indeed I am able to travel to all future ICANN meetings. I do not understand the exact question here and therefore I will answer by stating that - I have the funds, the inclination and the time (especially since there is prevalent braodband connectivity at all meetings ;) ) to attend all meetings. - Bhavin
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Bhavin Turakhia -
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine -
Jordyn A. Buchanan -
Rob Hall -
Robert F. Connelly -
Thomas Keller -
Tim Ruiz