My comments - Verisign batch pool issue
Hi all, Was out for 2 weeks and therefore unable to comment. Here is my brief statements * the real problem is not verisign getting pounded. I don't think that ever was the issue. The number of connections were reduced from 40 per registrar to 10 per registrar in the last 8 months. There is statistical data from reliable that shows that there were more commands being sent to the batch pool in Jan 2004 than there are as of today. Verisign can clearly reduce the number of connections from 10 to 5 or even 1 and reduce their load by 1/40th of the orignal load. The orignal system supported 100+ registrars at 40 connections. At 1 connection per registrar they should be able to support 4000 (I don't think we will reach that number ever considering the new NSI/TUCOWS model as such discourages any phantom creds now) * the real problem is phantom creds - ie registrars who accredited simply for batch pool access. The two solutions proposed by verisign to a certain extent take care of that issue, but the solutions are not effective * Solution 1 will render ICANN ending up with less than 50% of the 3.8 million they orignally anticipated collecting. This means in some indirect way we shall bear the brunt of that, or ICANN shall * Solution 1 also gives more chances to larger registrars, thus being unequal * Solution 2 to my mind as everyone points out can actually be worse - since it will bring about a status quo amongst the larger players to such an extent that noone except verisign will make the money * I do not think either of the solutions should be implemented. Infact here are the ONLY solutions that make sense - ===================== MY PROPOSED SOLUTIONS ===================== Solution 1: DO NOTHING ---------------------- * This is the simplest solution and it works. The market has considerably changed since this debate came up. * Firstly most registrars may shortly not allow names to expire judging NSI and TUCOWS' latest move. Infact I am quite certain of this eventuality - for various reasons which I will separately discuss. This has already prevented addtl phantom applications from applying. I will send out some hard data on this shortly * Secondly for the ones that already exist the number of names will reduce considerably * Thirdly for the ones that exist - verisign can simply reduce the number of connects to 5 or even 1 and have enuf bandwidth within their existing infrastructure to not impact them Solution 2: IMPLEMENT THEIR FIRST SOLUTION WITH SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS -------------------------------------------------------------------- * If solution 1 is implemented it needs to be fair and at the same time not jeopardize the ICANN budget. This maybe done as follows * create a separate pool where ONLY expired domain names maybe registered, so that both larger or smaller registrars get the same ratio of connect to this pool * modify the icann budget such that access to this pool does not fall in the forgiveness criteria * some of you may say that this model will not prevent the phantom creds issue - but I would suggest you to look around. That issue is already resolved. ONCE AGAIN ...... It is important to put up an official position on this one. I wonder (and I am new here ;) ) .... If we should ballot this. If yes then I can draft a ballot and send it out, after which we could share the official results with the concerned parties Best Regards Bhavin Turakhia Founder, CEO and Chairman DirectI -------------------------------------- http://www.directi.com Direct Line: +91 (22) 5679 7600 Direct Fax: +91 (22) 5679 7510 Board Line (USA): +1 (415) 240 4172 Board Line (India): +91 (22) 5679 7500 --------------------------------------
ONCE AGAIN ...... It is important to put up an official position on this one. I wonder (and I am new here ;) ) .... If we should ballot this. If yes then I can draft a ballot and send it out, after which we could share the official results with the concerned parties
A slight clarification. When I say ballot, I meant with options that everyone has proposed. I will word out all the alternatives that exist includingg the two of verisign, and letes get everyones opinion on what they think about all of them Ideally I would like to get an order of preference and not just a yes/no ballot, dunno if our current s/w allows that bhavin
Bhavin: There are several points in your e-mail that I take issue with. My thoughts are in-line below:
* the real problem is not verisign getting pounded. I don't think that ever was the issue. The number of connections were reduced from 40 per registrar to 10 per registrar in the last 8 months. There is statistical data from reliable that shows that there were more commands being sent to the batch pool in Jan 2004 than there are as of today. Verisign can clearly reduce the number of connections from 10 to 5 or even 1 and reduce their load by 1/40th of the orignal load. The orignal system supported 100+ registrars at 40 connections. At 1 connection per registrar they should be able to support 4000 (I don't think we will reach that number ever considering the new NSI/TUCOWS model as such discourages any phantom creds now)
There are several problems with this analysis. You may not have been around at the time, but the reason that the automated batch pool exists is that the add storms in early 2001 crippled the registry for hours at a time and made it impossible to perform new registrations or make changes to existing ones. Given the opportunity, clearly have the ability to overwhelm the registry. Second, as Bruce Tonkin has pointed out in a separate issue it is unacceptable for new entrants into the registrar space to simply dilute the resources available to existing businesses. Some registrars (Register.com included) need more than 1 connection to the automated batch pool simply to maintain our existing domain names. Long before the registry's theoretical capacity of 4000 connections spread over 4000 registrars is reached, a number of existing registrars will be unable to effectively serve their customers.
* Solution 1 also gives more chances to larger registrars, thus being unequal
Several people have raised this issue, but I believe it has not been substantiated by anyone. What is the analysis here? Solution 1 rewards registrars that are efficient, regardless of size. Large registrars who simply pound away will exceed the ratio because they won't be adding names efficiently that way; small registrars who figure out a clever way to grab names with a smaller number of transactions will be able to continue to grab expiring names without
Solution 1: DO NOTHING ----------------------
* This is the simplest solution and it works. The market has considerably changed since this debate came up.
* Firstly most registrars may shortly not allow names to expire judging NSI and TUCOWS' latest move. Infact I am quite certain of this eventuality - for various reasons which I will separately discuss. This has already prevented addtl phantom applications from applying. I will send out some hard data on this shortly
The problem with this approach is that it seems to assume that the move that NSI and Tucows has taken is a good thing for the industry. I'm not sure I have enough information to really judge that yet. At the very least, their approach seems to present a number of problems, the most significant of which is that they are creating registration "islands" in which expiring names cease to be available to the general community of registrars. In the short term, that seems to be great for a company like Register.com, with a base of high quality names. From a slightly longer term perspective, though, I don't think we are stronger as an industry if registrants have to hunt around to figure out which registrar they need to go to in order to register a particular name. Indeed, average Internet users are unlikely to bother, meaning that expiring domains will continue to simply be re-allocated to businesses based around traffic generation. And while I recognize that traffic generation is a legitimate business, and many of us derive significant portions of our revenue from those who specialize in it, I think as an industry we should be looking for ways to make domain names valuable destinations in their own right. In his articles about Tucows' approach, Ross admirably makes the case for including the existing registrant in the process in order to yield decisions based on "perfect information". Unfortunately, in the process sales channels are balkanized so new registrants visiting a particular registrar's site won't know that names being deleted by another registrar might be available at auction. The end result is that by moving closer to "perfect information" for incumbent registrants, we are moving farther away from that same idealized "perfect information" for potential new registrants. Given that the incumbent registrant doesn't care enough about the name to bother to renew it, I'm not sure this is a worthy trade off. Fortunately, even Ross seems to acknowledge that Tucows' local solution is only a transitional phase prior to some sort of global fix. We need to identify that fix before the market becomes fragmented. Bruce Tonkin has already made the case that an auction seems like a reasonable way to resolve contention for names at the registry level. I agree. Such an approach allows the market for expiring names to operate without placing an undue burden on the registry and also has the potential to be profitable for a variety of registrars, including large registrars with an existing pool of names under management as well as smaller registrars who can now present a more attractive inventory of names to their customers. Jordyn
Jordyn, As we discussed off-list a few weeks ago, I concur that: o it is unacceptable for new entrants into the registrar space to simply dilute the resources available to (prior entrants) This doesn't just apply to threads in the drop market. o the assumption that NSI and Tucows interests are the interests of a third, or subsequent registrars, is unproved. o the model of "islands" or fractured dns is novel, and in the abstract, is as surprising as deciding that names that begin with "a" are allocated to the "aardvard et fils" registrar. I also concur that: o add storms are not what a registry operator really wants, and the vgrs experience wasn't wonderful, and o the current growth in accreditations presents scaling issues, not just in the ddos effect of add storms, but elsewhere in the design assumptions of epp (and rrp and the registry-registrar model). Eric
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Bhavin Turakhia -
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine -
Jordyn A. Buchanan