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Singleton/Few cross-script variant code points
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 6, 2018

July 6, 2018

Dear NBGP members, Kindly let me draw you attention to the issue of cross-script variant code points where there is only a single code point or there are only a few code points. 1. Background Currently NBGP proposals include all cross-script variant code points which they can form well-formed cross-script variant labels without considering how many cross-script variant code points there are between two scripts. Example1: Oriya ଠ (0B20) and Malayalam ഠ (0D20) are variant code points. They are consonants and they can form such ഠഠഠ (0B20 0B20 0B20) and ଠଠଠ (0D20 0D20 0D20) cross-script variant labels Oriya Malayalam ଠ (0B20) ഠ (0D20) Example2: Telugu ం (0C02) and Malayalam ം (0D02) are NOT variant code points. As they are combining marks and cannot form variant labels. The same applies or Telugu ః (0C03)and Malayalam ഃ (0D03) Telugu Malayalam ం (0C02) ം (0D02) ః (0C03) ഃ (0D03) 1. IP Feedback With only a single consonant (or plus two combining marks) the overlap between scripts appears rather limited (case of Example 1 above) . The IP would recommend dropping the variants. This feedback applies for Telugu, Kannada, Sinhala, Oriya, Malayalam. However the GP decision will affect all NBGP proposals. The IP suggest dropping following variant sets: Telugu Kannada Sinhala ం (0C02) ಂ (0C82) ං (0D82) ః (0C03) ಃ (0C83) ඃ (0D83) ర (0C30) ರ (0CB0) ර (0DBB) Oriya Malayalam ଠ (0B20) ഠ (0D20) 1. OPTIONS OPTION 1: Do nothing. OPTION 2: Drop the suggested variant sets. Both options are valid. The final decision depends on NBGP. Whichever option selected, the proposals will be published for public comment period for 40 days. The community and experts will also have a chance to make a comment there. After the public comment period has ended. NBGP will consider all feedback and finalize proposals accordingly. We’d like to request the NBGP to consider this issue prior to the NBGP-Sinhala call this evening and let’s aim to finalize the option during the call. Regards, Pitinan

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Re: [SinhalaGP] [Neobrahmigp] Singleton/Few cross-script variant code points
by veena solomon July 6, 2018

July 6, 2018

Yes, I too agree. I also felt the same yesterday when this was brought into attention. On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 6:51 PM Dr. Ajay DATA <ajay(a)data.in> wrote: > This is as disucssed.. we shall see all the feedback and discuss this > today on call and finalise the view. > > Thank you. > > On 6 July 2018 15:33:38 GMT+05:30, Akshat Joshi <akshatj(a)cdac.in> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Here is a brief discussion about this issue. >> >> By and large, we have been including all the cross-script variants in the >> cross-script variant analysis which (or any combination of which) could >> stand as a alone valid character/character sequence. >> >> Recently IP has suggested that we may want to reconsider this where a >> small number of code-points are involved as that is an indicative of very >> small overlap between the scripts. >> >> There are two kinds of such cases: >> >> 1. Cross-script variant set made up of dependent characters *ONLY*: >> >> 2. Cross-script variant sets which do included non-dependent >> characters/sequences: >> >> Let us take a look at each of them individually: >> >> *1. **Cross-script variants made up of dependent characters only:* >> >> This is the case as given in the Example 2 given by Pitinan: >> >> *Telugu ం (0C02) and Malayalam ം (0D02) are NOT variant code points. As >> they are combining marks and cannot form variant labels. The same applies >> or Telugu ః (0C03)and Malayalam ഃ (0D03)* >> >> If dependent characters (e.g. Vowel Signs, Anusvara, Visarga, >> Chandrabindu etc) are the *ONLY* cases of cross-script variants among >> the script involved, it is safe to assume the *NON**E* of the labels >> created entirely of the cross-script variants would be valid ones. Hence we >> did not include them in the cross-script variants of the script pair. >> However, if there is even one non-dependent (e.g. Consonant, Vowel etc) >> character as a part of the cross-script variants, then all such cases >> should mandatorily be included in the cross-script variant table. >> >> *2. **Cross-script variants which do included non-dependent >> characters/sequences:* >> >> This is the case as given in the Example 1 given by Pitinan: >> >> *Oriya ଠ (0B20) and Malayalam ഠ (0D20) are variant code points. * >> >> As both the code-points involved in this pair are non-dependent, even the >> smallest instance (single code-point) i.e. ଠ (Oriya ) and ഠ (Malayalam) >> are valid labels which look exactly alike. If we concatenate instances of >> same variant characters with one another, we, in theory, get infinite >> number labels as given below: >> >> ଠଠ - ഠഠ >> >> ଠଠଠ - ഠഠഠ >> >> ଠଠଠଠ - ഠഠഠഠ >> >> ଠଠଠଠଠ - ഠഠഠഠഠ >> >> ..... >> >> all of these look exactly alike, belong to totally different scripts and >> can gain independent existence if not included in the cross-script variant >> set. This indicates that though seemingly the number of characters is few, >> it can create a large number of labels. Important thing to note here is the >> presence of at least one non-dependent character in the cross-script >> variant set. >> >> Hence, it is proposed that: >> >> If, in any two given scripts, all the potential cross-script variants >> consist of dependent (e.g. Vowel Signs, Anusvara, Visarga, Chandrabindu >> etc) characters *ONLY*, then that entire set can be ignored and no >> cross-script variants be proposed between those two scripts. >> >> If, in any two given scripts, there is *AT LEAST ONE* non-dependent (e.g. >> Consonant, Vowel etc) cross-script variant character/sequence present, >> all the potential cross-script variants be considered and proposed between >> the two scripts. >> >> Regards, >> >> Akshat >> >> On 06-07-2018 12:20, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana wrote: >> >> Dear NBGP members, >> >> >> >> Kindly let me draw you attention to the issue of cross-script variant >> code points where there is only a single code point or there are only a few >> code points. >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> *Background * >> >> Currently NBGP proposals include all cross-script variant code points >> which they can form well-formed cross-script variant labels without >> considering how many cross-script variant code points there are between two >> scripts. >> >> >> >> *Example1:* Oriya ଠ (0B20) and Malayalam ഠ (0D20) *are* variant code >> points. >> >> They are consonants and they can form such ഠഠഠ (0B20 0B20 0B20) and ଠଠଠ (0D20 >> 0D20 0D20) cross-script variant labels >> >> Oriya >> >> Malayalam >> >> ଠ (0B20) >> >> ഠ (0D20) >> >> >> >> *Example2*: Telugu ం (0C02) and Malayalam ം (0D02) *are* *NOT* variant >> code points. As they are combining marks and cannot form variant labels. >> The same applies or Telugu ః (0C03)and Malayalam ഃ (0D03) >> >> Telugu >> >> Malayalam >> >> ం (0C02) >> >> ം (0D02) >> >> ః (0C03) >> >> ഃ (0D03) >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> *IP Feedback * >> >> With only a single consonant (or plus two combining marks) the overlap >> between scripts appears rather limited (case of *Example 1* above) . The >> IP would recommend dropping the variants. This feedback applies for Telugu, >> Kannada, Sinhala, Oriya, Malayalam. However the GP decision will affect all >> NBGP proposals. >> >> >> >> The IP suggest dropping following variant sets: >> >> Telugu >> >> Kannada >> >> Sinhala >> >> ం (0C02) >> >> ಂ (0C82) >> >> ං (0D82) >> >> ః (0C03) >> >> ಃ (0C83) >> >> ඃ (0D83) >> >> ర (0C30) >> >> ರ (0CB0) >> >> ර (0DBB) >> >> >> >> Oriya >> >> Malayalam >> >> ଠ (0B20) >> >> ഠ (0D20) >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> *OPTIONS * >> >> *OPTION 1: *Do nothing. >> >> *OPTION 2: *Drop the suggested variant sets. >> >> >> >> Both options are valid. The final decision depends on NBGP. Whichever >> option selected, the proposals will be published for public comment period >> for 40 days. The community and experts will also have a chance to make a >> comment there. After the public comment period has ended. NBGP will >> consider all feedback and finalize proposals accordingly. >> >> >> >> >> >> We’d like to request the NBGP to consider this issue prior to the >> NBGP-Sinhala call this evening and let’s aim to finalize the option during >> the call. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Pitinan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Neobrahmigp mailing listNeobrahmigp@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/neobrahmigp >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Akshat Joshi >> C-DAC GIST >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> [ C-DAC is on Social-Media too. Kindly follow us at: >> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CDACINDIA & Twitter: @cdacindia ] >> >> This e-mail is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may >> contain confidential and privileged information. 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NBGP-SinhalaGP Meeting
by Pitinan Kooarmornpatana July 5, 2018

July 5, 2018

Dear Sinhala GP members and NBGP members, Thank you Harsha for agreeing on the time for the call. This is a place holder for NBGP-Sinhala meeting tomorrow Friday, 6 July 2018 at 6.30PM - 7:30PM (India Time - Sri Lanka Time , GMT+5.30) Agenda: 1. NBGP-Sinhala Cross-Script Variant Direction * Case of the singleton or only a few cross-script variant. * Other cases (if any) 2. Finalize LGR based on latest IP feedback for a. Devanagari - Akshat b. Gurmukhi - Lehal c. Gujarati - Akshat d. Telugu - Uma Rao/ Ganga e. Kannada - Pavanaja f. Tamil - Shanmugam g. Bangla - Atiur h. Oriya - Kuldeep i. Malayalam - Veena 3. AOB Regards, Pitinan ---------------------------- Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/idn/ *Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. If you are Unable to log into Adobe Connect and can only join via phone: https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=1064158692&num=1-719-… Participant Passcode: 1064158692

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