Re: [UA-EAI] [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness
It may be good idea to skip the testing of domains on .com or any other tld which are hosted on google / Microsoft / XgenPlus / Coremail for MX. That does not give us correct picture of large setups. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder & CEO Get email id like अजय@डाटा.भारत in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: "John Levine" MailId : [86434226]To: "Jiankang Yao" Cc: "ua-coordination@icann.org" ,"ua-eai@icann.org" Subject: Re: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI ReadinessDate: 18 Nov 2018 11:00:44 PM > If I read it correctly, I am surprised at that more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready now. It is a very big number.I redid the checks to be sure. I sampled 3655 mail servers that handle 10372 domains in .com. Of those, 200 servers handling 1417 domains announced SMTPUTF8, so it`s 5.5% of the servers or 13.7% of the domains.That`s because both gmail and outlook.com handle a lot of domains on relatively few IPs.R`s,John> When this report is finalized, I suggest that UASG can release some news to let the public and some email vendors to know it.> for examples:> news 1:> major open source MTA is eai ready.> news 2:> world class commerical email servers(microsoft hotmail and gmail) are eai ready.> news 3:> more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready.>>> Cheers!>>>>> Jiankang Yao>> From: Don Hollander> Date: 2018-11-18 02:15> To: ua-eai@icann.org ua coordinator Paul Hoffman Evan Hanson> CC: `john levine`> Subject: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness> John Levine has run an analysis of the EAI Readiness of the Internet&rsquos mail servers.>> His DRAFT report is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/18W-dAr1Nhe_gVlFKDQZqsqB4bf5N86wryEcALnyUPTc/edit#heading=h.dba7p1kazxqa>> This has some interesting findings:>> We now have a baseline measurement of EAI Readiness so we can measure progress over time. NB: This is all EAI Phase 1 readiness, the ability to Send To and Receive From all email addresses. This does not address the issue of being able to host an EAI address. That&rsquos being done in a separate effort.> We also have a list of the large MTAs (that announce their platform). This will be useful as we pursue the last phase of the EAI Evaluation.> We&rsquove also seen the impact of Microsoft&rsquos online facilities becoming EAI ready earlier this year.> The EAI Readiness by TLD is potentially interesting. I&rsquove asked John to see if there are any marked differences with IDN TLDs.>> Before John does any more work on this, I&rsquom putting it out to this group for comments.>> Once we&rsquore happy with the results we&rsquoll publish this as a report and on our Dashboard. We&rsquoll also schedule this to be run once a quarter.>> Comments are welcome.>> Don>>>>> Don Hollander> Secretary General &ndash UASG> Skype: Don_Hollander>Regards,John Levine, john.levine@standcore.comStandcore LLCDo not Remove:[HID]20181118230044445[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER]
I was thinking about this, too. O365 allows “bring your own domain name”. Most of these are .COM, but I know we have multiple .REALTOR so any TLD could be represented. Or have you already made that distinction based on SMTP responses? From: UA-EAI <ua-eai-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Dr Ajay Data Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:18 PM To: `john levine` <john.levine@standcore.com>; HEALTH Yao <yaojk@cnnic.cn> Cc: `ua-coordination@icann.org`; ua-eai@icann.org; ua-coordination@icann.org; `ua-eai@icann.org` Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness It may be good idea to skip the testing of domains on .com or any other tld which are hosted on google / Microsoft / XgenPlus / Coremail for MX. That does not give us correct picture of large setups. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder & CEO Get email id like अजय@डाटा.भारत<mailto:अजय@डाटा.भारत> in your own language, visit www.xgenplus.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgenplus...> ________________________________ From: "John Levine" <john.levine@standcore.com<mailto:john.levine@standcore.com>> MailId : [86434226] To: "Jiankang Yao" <yaojk@cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk@cnnic.cn>> Cc: "ua-coordination@icann.org<mailto:ua-coordination@icann.org>" <ua-coordination@icann.org<mailto:ua-coordination@icann.org>>,"ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>" <ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness Date: 18 Nov 2018 11:00:44 PM
If I read it correctly, I am surprised at that more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready now. It is a very big number.
I redid the checks to be sure. I sampled 3655 mail servers that handle 10372 domains in .com. Of those, 200 servers handling 1417 domains announced SMTPUTF8, so it`s 5.5% of the servers or 13.7% of the domains. That`s because both gmail and outlook.com handle a lot of domains on relatively few IPs. R`s, John
When this report is finalized, I suggest that UASG can release some news to let the public and some email vendors to know it. for examples: news 1: major open source MTA is eai ready. news 2: world class commerical email servers(microsoft hotmail and gmail) are eai ready. news 3: more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready.
Cheers!
Jiankang Yao
From: Don Hollander Date: 2018-11-18 02:15 To: ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>; ua coordinator; Paul Hoffman; Evan Hanson CC: `john levine` Subject: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness John Levine has run an analysis of the EAI Readiness of the Internet’s mail servers.
His DRAFT report is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/18W-dAr1Nhe_gVlFKDQZqsqB4bf5N86wryEcALnyU...
This has some interesting findings:
We now have a baseline measurement of EAI Readiness so we can measure progress over time. NB: This is all EAI Phase 1 readiness, the ability to Send To and Receive From all email addresses. This does not address the issue of being able to host an EAI address. That’s being done in a separate effort. We also have a list of the large MTAs (that announce their platform). This will be useful as we pursue the last phase of the EAI Evaluation. We’ve also seen the impact of Microsoft’s online facilities becoming EAI ready earlier this year. The EAI Readiness by TLD is potentially interesting. I’ve asked John to see if there are any marked differences with IDN TLDs.
Before John does any more work on this, I’m putting it out to this group for comments.
Once we’re happy with the results we’ll publish this as a report and on our Dashboard. We’ll also schedule this to be run once a quarter.
Comments are welcome.
Don
Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
Regards, John Levine, john.levine@standcore.com<mailto:john.levine@standcore.com> Standcore LLC Do not Remove: [HID]20181118230044445[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER] [https://data.in/XGenPlusMessageID:15426982511531228a-#RCPT#.jpg][https://dlr.tbms.in/XET23436:201811.jpg]
O365 allows “bring your own domain name”. Most of these are .COM, but I know we have multiple .REALTOR so any TLD could be represented.
Or have you already made that distinction based on SMTP responses?
It's the servers that say outlook.com in the SMTP banner, like this. Are any of those not O365? I'm reasonably sure that every outlook.com actually had a banner like this, in mail.protection.outlook.com: mta sig is b'QB1CAN01FT008.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM01FT050.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM02FT026.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'DM3NAM03FT048.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM04FT033.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'CY1NAM02FT056.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'BY2NAM01FT058.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'BY2NAM03FT023.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'CO1NAM03FT040.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' Regards, John Levine, john.levine@standcore.com Standcore LLC
For comparison, here's the header from our freeware consumer email service (marketed/branded as"Outlook.com", and previously known as "Hotmail.com" and "Live.com", but actually residing at OUTLOOK.LIVE.COM): Received: from SN6PR2101MB1038.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:803:41::29) by BL0PR2101MB1028.namprd21.prod.outlook.com with HTTPS via SN4PR0501CA0052.NAMPRD05.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:17:40 +0000 Received: from DM5PR21CA0057.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:3:129::19) by SN6PR2101MB1038.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:805:6::11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1382.1; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:17:39 +0000 Received: from DM3NAM06FT012.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:f400:7e56::205) by DM5PR21CA0057.outlook.office365.com (2603:10b6:3:129::19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1382.2 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:17:39 +0000 Authentication-Results: spf=pass (sender IP is 40.92.33.51) smtp.mailfrom=LIVE.COM; microsoft.com; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=live.com;microsoft.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=LIVE.COM;compauth=pass reason=100 Received-SPF: Pass (protection.outlook.com: domain of LIVE.COM designates 40.92.33.51 as permitted sender) receiver=protection.outlook.com; client-ip=40.92.33.51; helo=NAM06-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com; Received: from NAM06-DM3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (40.92.33.51) by DM3NAM06FT012.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.109.4) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1355.0 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 18:17:39 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=live.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=xbQdAPZpBhhOBjlXCKQbDAgca/Lpzb2bNXgXeR0slY0=; b=FpWzufp8lTb1NFIb6Es6jJ7IhAA/BhEAJ7kkXQXly3/Sm7ij5Y9OBDRsgWP5VTNK9KwBo5JXREcg29Kt51o35B/U263C3/PRDpeFBJSyJY7QkN07aPCMGl16r+bnpL7cLtT2bf8OmLysLNui+PYoig7s4sg2bBOlDTt1ALTgjLz0tw7Z5DoB2nsr/6LCKreSvw/uRDjUX6VVBwvLUltyRHlrnIZZPXp0TapZfT8QnGSyEW7rS00Yl/5EqO5TjsDLTXfVw2eAeWroTpnOn4MOPrPiVt2+R2jB4jXDRaOZahfLsLJxT7Hr2Z1HNdIkNfXF80BqE/PXnq47TE8w219oRQ== Received: from DM3NAM06FT009.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.108.59) by DM3NAM06HT023.Eop-nam06.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.109.0) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1355.0; 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ua-eai@icann.org; ua-coordination@icann.org Subject: RE: [UA-EAI] [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness
O365 allows “bring your own domain name”. Most of these are .COM, but I know we have multiple .REALTOR so any TLD could be represented.
Or have you already made that distinction based on SMTP responses?
It's the servers that say outlook.com in the SMTP banner, like this. Are any of those not O365? I'm reasonably sure that every outlook.com actually had a banner like this, in mail.protection.outlook.com: mta sig is b'QB1CAN01FT008.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM01FT050.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM02FT026.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'DM3NAM03FT048.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'SN1NAM04FT033.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'CY1NAM02FT056.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'BY2NAM01FT058.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' mta sig is b'BY2NAM03FT023.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:37 +0000' mta sig is b'CO1NAM03FT040.mail.protection.outlook.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000' Regards, John Levine, john.levine@standcore.com<mailto:john.levine@standcore.com> Standcore LLC
I was thinking about this, too. O365 allows “bring your own domain name”. Most of these are .COM, but I know we have multiple .REALTOR so any TLD could be represented. Or have you already made that distinction based on SMTP responses? From: UA-EAI <ua-eai-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Dr Ajay Data Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 11:18 PM To: `john levine` <john.levine@standcore.com<mailto:john.levine@standcore.com>>; HEALTH Yao <yaojk@cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk@cnnic.cn>> Cc: `ua-coordination@icann.org`; ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>; ua-coordination@icann.org<mailto:ua-coordination@icann.org>; `ua-eai@icann.org` Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness It may be good idea to skip the testing of domains on .com or any other tld which are hosted on google / Microsoft / XgenPlus / Coremail for MX. That does not give us correct picture of large setups. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder & CEO Get email id like अजय@डाटा.भारत<mailto:अजय@डाटा.भारत> in your own language, visit www.xgenplus.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgenplus...> ________________________________ From: "John Levine" <john.levine@standcore.com<mailto:john.levine@standcore.com>> MailId : [86434226] To: "Jiankang Yao" <yaojk@cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk@cnnic.cn>> Cc: "ua-coordination@icann.org<mailto:ua-coordination@icann.org>" <ua-coordination@icann.org<mailto:ua-coordination@icann.org>>,"ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>" <ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness Date: 18 Nov 2018 11:00:44 PM
If I read it correctly, I am surprised at that more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready now. It is a very big number.
I redid the checks to be sure. I sampled 3655 mail servers that handle 10372 domains in .com. Of those, 200 servers handling 1417 domains announced SMTPUTF8, so it`s 5.5% of the servers or 13.7% of the domains. That`s because both gmail and outlook.com handle a lot of domains on relatively few IPs. R`s, John
When this report is finalized, I suggest that UASG can release some news to let the public and some email vendors to know it. for examples: news 1: major open source MTA is eai ready. news 2: world class commerical email servers(microsoft hotmail and gmail) are eai ready. news 3: more than 10 percent of COM domain names are eai ready.
Cheers!
Jiankang Yao
From: Don Hollander Date: 2018-11-18 02:15 To: ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org>; ua coordinator; Paul Hoffman; Evan Hanson CC: `john levine` Subject: [UA-Coordination] Draft Results: EAI Readiness John Levine has run an analysis of the EAI Readiness of the Internet’s mail servers.
His DRAFT report is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/18W-dAr1Nhe_gVlFKDQZqsqB4bf5N86wryEcALnyU...
This has some interesting findings:
We now have a baseline measurement of EAI Readiness so we can measure progress over time. NB: This is all EAI Phase 1 readiness, the ability to Send To and Receive From all email addresses. This does not address the issue of being able to host an EAI address. That’s being done in a separate effort. We also have a list of the large MTAs (that announce their platform). This will be useful as we pursue the last phase of the EAI Evaluation. We’ve also seen the impact of Microsoft’s online facilities becoming EAI ready earlier this year. The EAI Readiness by TLD is potentially interesting. I’ve asked John to see if there are any marked differences with IDN TLDs.
Before John does any more work on this, I’m putting it out to this group for comments.
Once we’re happy with the results we’ll publish this as a report and on our Dashboard. We’ll also schedule this to be run once a quarter.
Comments are welcome.
Don
Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
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