Dear Deepak, Thanks for sharing this information with us. I think the confusability not in the systems (they can easily identify the user part and the domain part based on their order in the wire). The problem is with the end user experience and expectation. Raed ________________________________ From: deepak [deepak.singhal@dil.in] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 10:02 AM To: Raed Al-Fayez; don hollander Cc: andrew sullivan; `ua-eai@icann.org` Subject: Re : Re: [UA-EAI] [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2@arabic3.arabic4 Hi All, we have chacked it on our email server . if some send mail to arabic-user@ascii-domain. then our email server detect it same but display reverse. i have created a user dil.in@داده.امارات and داده.امارات@dil.in on our email server . we detect it properly. Regards Deepak Singhal ________________________________ From: Raed Al-Fayez <rfayez@citc.gov.sa> MailId : [67881256] To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> Cc: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>,"ua-eai@icann.org" <ua-eai@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-EAI] [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2@arabic3.arabic4 Date: 05 Apr 2017 12:10:28 PM We only allow using one script (Arabic) for the email address (for both local and domain part) so no mixing between Arabic and ASCII letters, because things might get difficult to differentiate specially in the RTL/LTR contexts. Also, it will be difficult or a basic Arabic user to switch the keyboard layout when composing an email address. As a result we will not allow this email to be registered and used: رسيل.السعودية@don.hollander You can have only the following emails: دون.هولندر@رسيل.السعودية don.hollander@raseel.sa We believe this should be done at both the domain level (IDNA) and the email level (both local and server parts). Raed ________________________________ From: Don Hollander [don.hollander@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 02:44 AM To: Raed Al-Fayez Cc: ua-eai@icann.org; Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Ext] RE: arabic1.arabic2@arabic3.arabic4 THanks Raed. When entering an email address, how would you treat: arabic.arabic@ascii.ascii<mailto:arabic.arabic@ascii.ascii> Would ascii HAVE to be the domain name or COULD it be the mailbox name? Could I have رسيلالسعودية@don.hollander On 5/04/2017, at 10:09 AM, Raed Al-Fayez <rfayez@citc.gov.sa<mailto:rfayez@citc.gov.sa>> wrote: Dear Don and All, Thanks for raising up this important issue. Similar to an ASCII email address, an Arabic email address consists of a local part and a domain name separated by "@" sign, in the following format (read RTL): first<mailto:tld.domain@last.first> رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية Here is a list of (8) examples that illustrate how email addresses (ASCII or Arabic) are displayed in English or Arabic text with RTL or LTR display modes (assuming my ascii email is sa<mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>): Case Example 1. Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display mode (right alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليمين إلى اليسار 2. Arabic text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني عربي رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعوديةويظهر أيضا بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليسار إلى اليمين 3. Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display mode (right alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني sa<mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa>ويظهر بشكل جيد عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليمين إلى اليسار 4. Arabic text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment) هذا نص عربي يحتوي على عنوان بريد إلكتروني لاتيني sa<mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> ويظهر بشكل متداخل عندما يكون اتجاه العرض من اليسار إلى اليمين 5. English text that contains my Arabic email in RTL display (right alignment) This is English text with an Arabic email address رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears mixed when displayed from right-to-left 6. English text that contains my Arabic email in LTR display (left alignment) This is an English text with an Arabic email address رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية that appears normal when displayed from left to right 7. English text that contains my ASCII email in RTL display (right alignment) This is an English text with an ASCII email address sa<mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> that appears also normal when displayed from right to left 8. English text that contains my ASCII email in LTR display (left alignment) This is an English text with an ASCII email address sa<mailto:raed.alfayez@raseel.sa> that appears also normal when displayed from left to right Therefore, I expect that my Arabic email address (رائد.الفايز@رسيل.السعودية) maintains its appearance regardless of the text language or direction of the display. Otherwise, users (readers) will get confuse. Note: I am attaching a pdf version of my original message in case it was miss-displayed by any email client. Raed ________________________________ From: Don Hollander [don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 12:10 AM To: ua-eai@icann.org<mailto:ua-eai@icann.org> Cc: Raed Al-Fayez; Andrew Sullivan Subject: arabic1.arabic2@arabic3.arabic4 Dear all: In the above example, which is the mailbox name and which is the domain name? Andrew Sullivan tells me it’s not addressed by the protocol because it’s an implementation issue. Raed: How does Raseel handle this? Don <Arabic_Emails_Display.pdf> Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander _______________________________________________ UA-EAI mailing list UA-EAI@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-eai Do not Remove: [HID]20170405121026532[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER]