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Re: [Work Stream 3 ATRT 2] Suggestions for addition information requests
by Alan Greenberg June 18, 2013

June 18, 2013

Thanks Stephen. I will incorporate your questions and send out a new version tomorrow. Alan At 17/06/2013 09:39 PM, Conroy, Stephen (Senator) wrote: >Dear Colleagues, > >Thanks to you both for your comments on the >recommendations. I agree with all of the >proposed questions, and have a few additional >thoughts relating to the accuracy recommendations (recommendations 6 and 7). > >The purpose of recommendations 6 and 7 appears >to be to improve the accuracy of WHOIS data over >time, with a particular focus on the most >inaccurate data (i.e. that which does not allow >contact to be made with the registrant). This >level of inaccuracy is a major problem for many >stakeholders, including governmental law >enforcement agencies who investigate serious >crimes. Another important aspect of this issue >relates to the need to collect reliable data on >WHOIS accuracy levels, to allow ICANN (and the >community) to assess the impact of any reforms >it introduces, any ramp up of its compliance efforts, and so on. > >In response to these recommendations, the Board >directed the CEO to begin proactively >identifying potentially inaccurate data >registration information, explore the use of >automated tools, and forward on any potentially >inaccurate records to registrars for correction. >The Board also directed the CEO to produce >public reports on these resulting actions, to >encourage improved accuracy of WHOIS data. > >Following the Boards response, ICANN staff >appear to have focused on a number of >initiatives (as outlined in the report), but it >is not clear that their activities directly >tackle the issue identified by the review team >i.e. the need to reduce the level of grossly >inaccurate data, and to actively track progress >with that. In fact the staff response appears to >effectively say that they cannot measure this >information, because it cannot be achieved via >an automated solution. It may be that this is an >acceptable response, but given the importance of >the issue for many stakeholders, and for ICANN >itself, I would be interested to ask staff: > > Does ICANN believe that the >proposed implementation approach responds fully to the recommendation? > Does ICANN believe that the >proposed implementation approach responds fully to the Boards decision? > If the staff believe that their >proposed online process will provide the same >results as contemplated in the recommendations, >could they please provide more information on >this, and how ICANN will use it to improve, >monitor and transparently report on the accuracy of WHOIS data? >· As Alan has already >highlighted, if ICANN does not believe that the >recommendation can be implemented as is, what >alternative do they suggest to address the spirit of the recommendation? > >Kind regards > >Stephen Conroy > > >From: ><mailto:workstream3-atrt2-bounces@icann.org>workstream3-atrt2-bounces(a)icann.org >[mailto:workstream3-atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Yakushev >Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 11:35 PM >To: Alan Greenberg >Cc: ATRT2 WS3 >Subject: Re: [Work Stream 3 ATRT 2] Suggestions >for addition information requests > >Dear Alan, colleagues, > >I am very thankful to Alan for this >comments/suggestions/requests. To be frank, I >was much more polite with my own assessment of >the current developments with the implementation of WHOIS RT procedures. >I do agree with all the proposed suggestions. I >have to admit that I missed very important >issue, mentioned by Alan in Item 9 ("The WRT >recommendation as stated is not feasible.etc.). >This unfortunate situation really needs clarification. >May I also add a question in the table, prepared >by Alan - re Recommendation 13. The staff >indicated that they are still 'awaiting GNSO >policy on translation or transliteration', while >Recommendation 12 suggests that 'ICANN should >task a working group' on such issues. The update/clarification is needed. > >I fully agree that we need to have an updated >feedback from the staff for the whole picture. > >Kind regards, >Michael > > >2013/6/17 Alan Greenberg ><<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> >Please find attached my suggestions for the >request for additional information. > >Alan >_______________________________________________ >workstream3-atrt2 mailing list ><mailto:workstream3-atrt2@icann.org>workstream3-atrt2(a)icann.org >https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/workstream3-atrt2 > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) >and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized >review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Re: [Work Stream 3 ATRT 2] Suggestions for addition information requests
by Conroy, Stephen (Senator) June 18, 2013

June 18, 2013

Dear Colleagues, Thanks to you both for your comments on the recommendations. I agree with all of the proposed questions, and have a few additional thoughts relating to the accuracy recommendations (recommendations 6 and 7). The purpose of recommendations 6 and 7 appears to be to improve the accuracy of WHOIS data over time, with a particular focus on the most inaccurate data (i.e. that which does not allow contact to be made with the registrant). This level of inaccuracy is a major problem for many stakeholders, including governmental law enforcement agencies who investigate serious crimes. Another important aspect of this issue relates to the need to collect reliable data on WHOIS accuracy levels, to allow ICANN (and the community) to assess the impact of any reforms it introduces, any ramp up of its compliance efforts, and so on. In response to these recommendations, the Board directed the CEO to begin proactively identifying potentially inaccurate data registration information, explore the use of automated tools, and forward on any potentially inaccurate records to registrars for correction. The Board also directed the CEO to produce public reports on these resulting actions, to encourage improved accuracy of WHOIS data. Following the Board's response, ICANN staff appear to have focused on a number of initiatives (as outlined in the report), but it is not clear that their activities directly tackle the issue identified by the review team - i.e. the need to reduce the level of grossly inaccurate data, and to actively track progress with that. In fact the staff response appears to effectively say that they cannot measure this information, because it cannot be achieved via an automated solution. It may be that this is an acceptable response, but given the importance of the issue for many stakeholders, and for ICANN itself, I would be interested to ask staff: * Does ICANN believe that the proposed implementation approach responds fully to the recommendation? * Does ICANN believe that the proposed implementation approach responds fully to the Board's decision? * If the staff believe that their proposed online process will provide the same results as contemplated in the recommendations, could they please provide more information on this, and how ICANN will use it to improve, monitor and transparently report on the accuracy of WHOIS data? * As Alan has already highlighted, if ICANN does not believe that the recommendation can be implemented as is, what alternative do they suggest to address the spirit of the recommendation? Kind regards Stephen Conroy From: workstream3-atrt2-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:workstream3-atrt2-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:workstream3-atrt2-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michael Yakushev Sent: Monday, 17 June 2013 11:35 PM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: ATRT2 WS3 Subject: Re: [Work Stream 3 ATRT 2] Suggestions for addition information requests Dear Alan, colleagues, I am very thankful to Alan for this comments/suggestions/requests. To be frank, I was much more polite with my own assessment of the current developments with the implementation of WHOIS RT procedures. I do agree with all the proposed suggestions. I have to admit that I missed very important issue, mentioned by Alan in Item 9 ("The WRT recommendation as stated is not feasible."etc.). This unfortunate situation really needs clarification. May I also add a question in the table, prepared by Alan - re Recommendation 13. The staff indicated that they are still 'awaiting GNSO policy on translation or transliteration', while Recommendation 12 suggests that 'ICANN should task a working group' on such issues. The update/clarification is needed. I fully agree that we need to have an updated feedback from the staff for the whole picture. Kind regards, Michael 2013/6/17 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> Please find attached my suggestions for the request for additional information. Alan _______________________________________________ workstream3-atrt2 mailing list workstream3-atrt2(a)icann.org<mailto:workstream3-atrt2@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/workstream3-atrt2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. This message has been content scanned by the Axway MailGate. MailGate uses policy enforcement to scan for known viruses, spam, undesirable content and malicious code. For more information on Axway products please visit www.axway.com<http://www.axway.com>. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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ATRT2 - WS3 - Call 03
by Charla Shambley June 17, 2013

June 17, 2013

Dear WS 3, Your call 03 is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 19 June 2013** 15:00-16:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WS3+-+Call+02&iso=… CONFERENCE ID: 27318 Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/atrt2/ Dial-in numbers: are listed below according to your country of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list available at: http://adigo.com/icann/ Should you require a dial-out, please provide us with your phone number. Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney – T - +61 290 372 962 Melbourne – T – +61 399 996 500 Brisbane – T – +61 731 777 546 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 New - 0800 892 3882 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 China North - 10 800 712 1212 South - 10 800 120 1212 All - 400 120 0691 Costa Rica 0 800 0 121 513 Denmark L - 8088 7326 M - 8088 6280 T - +45 89 880 470 France 0800 913 680 0800 90 25 56 T -+33 975 181 806 Kenya No dial-in number available. Kindly provide your number and we will dial out to you. Russia New - 8 10 8002 2085011 T - 7 499 5042850 United Kingdom 0800 056 9431 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193

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Suggestions for addition information requests
by Alan Greenberg June 17, 2013

June 17, 2013

Please find attached my suggestions for the request for additional information. Alan

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WHOIS Implementation Update
by Larisa B. Gurnick June 13, 2013

June 13, 2013

Dear WS 3, As a follow up to the discussion during your latest call, the work on the implementation of the recommendations of the WHOIS Review Team is ongoing. Staff can answer your specific questions and provide you with an update since the last update in early May. In order to have a meaningful interaction prior to Durban, staff suggests the following approach: 1. WS 3 group to identify on the spreadsheet what, specifically, you have questions or concerns about and what additional information you are looking for - targeted for early part of next week. 2. Staff will launch a Doodle Poll to coordinate availability for a conference call, between your group and staff to address your questions. 3. Hold a conference call based on availability prior to Durban. I look forward to getting your specific questions and requests early next week. For your convenience, you can find the WHOIS related transcripts from LA meetings at https://community.icann.org/display/ATRT2/Work+Stream+3. Larisa Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick(a)icann.org<mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org> 310 383-8995

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Reminder - Call 02 today @ 15:00-16:00 UTC
by Alice Jansen June 12, 2013

June 12, 2013

Dear Work Stream 3, This is to kindly remind you that your call 02 will be held Today at 15:00-16:00 UTC. Please check you local time via: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WS3+-+Call+02&iso=… Enclosed you will find the dial-in details for your convenience. Thanks, Kind regards Alice ---- Dear WS 3, Your call 02 is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 June 2013** 15:00-16:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WS3+-+Call+02&iso=… CONFERENCE ID: 27318 Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/atrt2/ Dial-in numbers: are listed below according to your country of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list available at: http://adigo.com/icann/ Should you require a dial-out, please provide us with your phone number. Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney – T - +61 290 372 962 Melbourne – T – +61 399 996 500 Brisbane – T – +61 731 777 546 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 New - 0800 892 3882 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 China North - 10 800 712 1212 South - 10 800 120 1212 All - 400 120 0691 Costa Rica 0 800 0 121 513 Denmark L - 8088 7326 M - 8088 6280 T - +45 89 880 470 France 0800 913 680 0800 90 25 56 T -+33 975 181 806 Kenya No dial-in number available. Kindly provide your number and we will dial out to you. Russia New - 8 10 8002 2085011 T - 7 499 5042850 United Kingdom 0800 056 9431 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193

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My review of the staff responses for WHOIS RT Recommendations.
by Alan Greenberg June 12, 2013

June 12, 2013

In preparation for our meeting in about 12 hours, I am attaching a copy of the spreadsheet giving my thoughts on the staff responses. All of my comments are in a new Column B. I have added two new rows, 3 and 4 with my comments on the Board resolution and a general comment applying to most Recs. Overall, I think the level of implementation, at least based on the story told by the spreadsheet, is not all that impressive. But for many, with no percentage implementation given, and a description of "In progress" gives us no real information. I do need to review the LA meeting where this was presented to see if that makes it any better. Alan

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ATRT2 - WS3 - Call 02
by Charla Shambley June 6, 2013

June 6, 2013

Dear WS 3, Your call 02 is scheduled for: **Wednesday, 12 June 2013** 15:00-16:00 UTC Please check your local time at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WS3+-+Call+02&iso=… CONFERENCE ID: 27318 Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/atrt2/ Dial-in numbers: are listed below according to your country of residence. Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list available at: http://adigo.com/icann/ Should you require a dial-out, please provide us with your phone number. Australia 1 800 009 820 1 800 036 775 Sydney – T - +61 290 372 962 Melbourne – T – +61 399 996 500 Brisbane – T – +61 731 777 546 Brazil L - 0800 891 1597 M - 0800 891 1598 T - +55 613 717 2040 New - 0800 892 3882 Canada 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193 China North - 10 800 712 1212 South - 10 800 120 1212 All - 400 120 0691 Costa Rica 0 800 0 121 513 Denmark L - 8088 7326 M - 8088 6280 T - +45 89 880 470 France 0800 913 680 0800 90 25 56 T -+33 975 181 806 Kenya No dial-in number available. Kindly provide your number and we will dial out to you. Russia New - 8 10 8002 2085011 T - 7 499 5042850 United Kingdom 0800 056 9431 0800 032 6646 T - +44 207 099 0867 United States 1 800 550 6865 T - +1 213 233 3193

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Re: [Work Stream 3 ATRT 2] WS3 - Call 02 - Doodle Poll to Complete
by Charla Shambley June 4, 2013

June 4, 2013

I have updated the doodle poll to include Wednesday, 12 June as an option for your next WS3 call 02. Please click on the link to participate in the poll by Friday, 7 June. http://doodle.com/4gv5dfxevdqeyxqy Thank you! From: Charla Shambley Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:12 AM To: 'workstream3-atrt2(a)icann.org' Cc: 'warren.tegg(a)dbcde.gov.au'; Gisella Gruber Subject: WS3 - Call 02 - Doodle Poll to Complete Dear WS3, Please take a moment to participate in the Doodle poll as soon as possible so that we can determine the date and time of your call next week. Please use the following link to participate: http://doodle.com/4gv5dfxevdqeyxqy Thank you! Charla K. Shambley Strategic Initiatives Executive Assistant ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 310-578-8921

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ATRT 2 Work Stream 3 Follow Up
by Larisa B. Gurnick June 3, 2013

June 3, 2013

Dear Work Stream 3 Members, As follow up to your first call earlier today, staff would like to address the following items: 1. In response to your request for a timeline from the Expert Working Group, staff has provided the following information. Note that these links have also been added to the ATRT 2 wiki, on the page Information Provided by ICANN Staff (https://community.icann.org/display/ATRT2/Information+provided+by+ICANN+Sta…) * Report of the Expert Working Group on gTLD Directory Services Meeting (19-21 May 2013) - https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/41888006/To+post+-+Public+… * Expert Working Group public wiki - https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41888006 1. Request for a meeting in Durban with former members of the WHOIS Review Team * Please confirm your preference for day and time of this meeting * Please provide an agenda or a list of anticipated topics for this meeting 2. Scheduling of your next WS 3 call for next - in process 3. ATRT 2 members that had expressed interest in participating in WG 3 - after reviewing the transcripts, staff was not able to locate this information. Best regards, Larisa B. Gurnick Consultant/Senior Director, Organizational Reviews Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) larisa.gurnick(a)icann.org<mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org> 310 383-8995

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