For your information Kind regards Jorge Von: Cancio Jorge BAKOM Gesendet: Montag, 18. September 2017 11:45 An: 'León Felipe Sánchez Ambía' <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>; 'Thomas Rickert' <thomas@rickert.net>; 'Jordan Carter' <jordan@internetnz.net.nz> Cc: 'Niels ten Oever' <lists@nielstenoever.net>; 'Bernard Turcotte' <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>; 'Arasteh' <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>; 'Mark Carvell' <mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk>; 'María Milagros Castañon Seoane' <mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>; 'Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira' <thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br> Betreff: AW: dissenting opinion - final-final text for CCWG Dear co-chairs and all, I note with appreciation the constructive and forward-looking Email Thomas Rickert sent on your behalf last week on the constitution of “drafting teams”. In order to allow for an as constructive as possible discussion on the CCWG Plenary on September 27, I would like to file with you the following amended version of our dissent, which tries to focus only on the substantive issues that hopefully may be bridged during our discussions in the CCWG Plenary: "This dissenting opinion is based on serious concerns about the Sub-Group's treatment of the substantial comments and proposals submitted during the public comment period by the Governments of Brazil, Switzerland and the United Kingdom (who are all active members of the GAC's Human Rights and International Law Working Group). Their expectation was that a properly balanced result would reflect some if not all of the positions and proposals made in their responses. The governments are dismayed to note, however, that there are no changes of any significance to the draft FoI and Considerations documents that addresses any of the substantial issueswhich they raised. In particular, the three Governments were in full agreement that the FOI text should make stronger reference to the UN Guiding Principles as the most relevant voluntary international standard. However, the Subgroup did not undertake an inclusive effort to determine if a compromise text could be formulated that would accommodate this position of the three governments. This dissenting opinion is supported by Jorge Cancio (Switzerland) and Kavouss Arasteh (Iran), members of this Subgroup, and the representatives of the Governments of Brazil and UK who are observers on this Subgroup, and the representative of the Government of Peru.” Hope this may be helpful. Kind regards Jorge Von: Cancio Jorge BAKOM Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2017 08:35 An: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>; Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net<mailto:thomas@rickert.net>>; Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz>> Cc: Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net>>; Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>>; Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>; Mark Carvell <mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk<mailto:mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk>>; María Milagros Castañon Seoane <mcastanon@rree.gob.pe<mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>>; Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br>> Betreff: AW: dissenting opinion - final-final text for CCWG Dear Co-Chairs and all, For your convenience, here is the clean text version of the dissent we would like to be submitted to the Plenary for its consideration: "This dissenting opinion is based on serious concerns about the Sub-Group's treatment of the substantial comments and proposals submitted during the public comment period by the Governments of Brazil, Switzerland and the United Kingdom (who are all active members of the GAC's Human Rights and International Law Working Group). Their expectation was that a properly balanced result would reflect some if not all of the positions and proposals made in their responses. The governments are dismayed to note, however, that there are no changes of any significance to the draft FoI and Considerations documents that addresses any of the substantial issueswhich they raised. In particular, the three Governments were in full agreement that the FOI text should make stronger reference to the UN Guiding Principles as the most relevant voluntary international standard. However, the Subgroup did not undertake an inclusive effort to determine if a compromise text could be formulated that would accommodate this position of the three governments. Furthermore, the drafting team which was created by the Sub-Group in order to develop changes to the draft texts following consideration of the inputs received, lacked appropriate stakeholder balance as in our view there was not an appropriate communication and outreach on its constitution, which contributed to having no Government representation on this team. This dissenting opinion is supported by Jorge Cancio (Switzerland) and Kavouss Arasteh (Iran), members of this Subgroup, and the representatives of the Governments of Brazil and UK who are observers on this Subgroup, and the representative of the Government of Peru.” Thanks again and regards Jorge Von: Cancio Jorge BAKOM Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2017 07:03 An: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx<mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>>; Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net<mailto:thomas@rickert.net>>; Jordan Carter <jordan@internetnz.net.nz<mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz>> Cc: Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net>>; Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com<mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>>; Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>; Mark Carvell <mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk<mailto:mark.carvell@culture.gov.uk>>; María Milagros Castañon Seoane <mcastanon@rree.gob.pe<mailto:mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>>; Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br>> Betreff: dissenting opinion - final-final text for CCWG Dear Co-Chairs please find below for your convenience and in order to avoid any misunderstandings on the final text, the final version of the dissenting opinion we have filed for Plenary. Kind regards Jorge ________________________________ Von: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>> Datum: 5. September 2017 um 12:33:00 MESZ An: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> Cc: thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br> <thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br>>, ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org> <ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org>>, lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net> <lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net>> Betreff: AW: [Ws2-hr] dissenting opinion - final version for transmittal to CCWG plenary Thanks to Greg for this thorough investigation to the origins of the „drafting team“. Apparently only the transcript of the call on August 8th provides some clarity on how the drafting team was constituted, as the agenda, the notes of the call, and the subsequent emails did not contain an open call for participating in such a drafting team. Nonetheless, and recognizing that at least in the call itself there was such a call for forming the drafting team, I would like to slightly amend the dissenting opinion as follows: == "This dissenting opinion is based on serious concerns about the Sub-Group's treatment of the substantial comments and proposals submitted during the public comment period by the Governments of Brazil, Switzerland and the United Kingdom (who are all active members of the GAC's Human Rights and International Law Working Group). Their expectation was that a properly balanced result would reflect some if not all of the positions and proposals made in their responses. The governments are dismayed to note, however, that there are no changes of any significance to the draft FoI and Considerations documents that addresses any of the substantial issueswhich they raised. In particular, the three Governments were in full agreement that the FOI text should make stronger reference to the UN Guiding Principles as the most relevant voluntary international standard. However, the Subgroup did not undertake an inclusive effort to determine if a compromise text could be formulated that would accommodate this position of the three governments. Furthermore, the drafting team which was created by the Sub-Group in order to develop changes to the draft texts following consideration of the inputs received, lacked appropriate stakeholder balance as in our view there was not an appropriate communication and outreach on its constitutionopen invitation to participate in the drafting team, which contributed to having no Government representation on this team. This dissenting opinion is supported by Jorge Cancio (Switzerland) and Kavouss Arasteh (Iran), members of this Subgroup, and the representatives of the Governments of Brazil and UK who are observers on this Subgroup, and the representative of the Government of Peru.” == Kind regards Jorge Von: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2017 08:21 An: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> Cc: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>; lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net>; thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br>; ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org> Betreff: Re: [Ws2-hr] dissenting opinion - final version for transmittal to CCWG plenary All, I think it would be helpful to review the course of events under discussion here and in the minority statement. I've taken the time to comb through the email list and the relevant meeting transcripts, and as far as I can determine, this is what took place. I'll provide this without further comment, but I hope it is useful to all members of the Subgroup. 1. Niels made a request for volunteers to join a drafting team on the August 8, 2017 Working Group call. Attendance records show that Kavouss Arasteh and Mark Carvell were on the call (the latter as an Observer). Three people on the call (David Macauley, myself and Tatiana Tropina) volunteered for the drafting team. Anne also apparently volunteered, but this was not noted in the call notes; this was subsequently clarified. 2. Almost directly after the call (or possibly even during the end of the call), Niels sent to the subgroup list an email with two versions of the paragraph in question ("Original text" and "Text proposed by me on the call"), and said "I am greatly looking forward to the suggestion of the drafting team." 3. Matthew Shears replied to that thread a couple of hours later and volunteered to be on the drafting team. Rudy Daniel, Anne Aikman-Scalese and Kavouss Arasteh also replied to that thread, with contributions. Rudy also sent a follow-on email with further observations; David responded to this. 4. Within a few hours after that, MSSI Secretariat sent an email to both the CCWG and ws2-hr lists with Action Items and raw captioning from the August 8 meeting. The second Action Item from the meeting was: * DM, GS, TT volunteer for drafting team for the two elements of text which were discussed on the call this week for consideration at the next meeting. 5. The next day, David sent another email on the topic, again to the full subgroup list. Kavouss, Anne and Steve DelBianco all replied to this email, discussing various aspects and options for the text. 6. Meanwhile, Anne sent an email directly after the call with some thoughts on the language of this paragraph, to which there were numerous responses by eight different members of the subgroup (Kavouss, Tijani, Steve, Rudy, Brett, Bastiaan, Seun and David) over the next couple of days. 7. Members of the drafting team took note of these discussions on the list and then put together a suggested revised text to be discussed by the Subgroup. 8. On August 15, the date set to return a text to the list, David Macauley on behalf of the Drafting Team sent a suggested text to the full list for the Subgroup to consider. Brett and Anne (who had not yet seen the very final suggested text due to time zone differences) responded in support of the suggested text. Jorge and Kavouss responded, objecting to the suggested text. 9. There were also responses to Niels' agenda email to the list, commenting on the suggested text -- Brett, Matthew, Rudy, and Anne in support; Jorge and Kavouss objecting. 10. This suggested text was then discussed on the August 15 call. The decision on that call, as reported in the post-call email from MSSI Secretariat, was: * The modifications proposed by the drafting team were not supported and as such are rejected. The original text used in the public consultation will be used. Only David Macauley and Tatiana Tropina were present from the drafting team. Anne, Matthew and I were unable to attend. Kavouss was on the call and participated actively in the discussion of the revised text. Mark Carvell was present as an Observer. 11. At the following meeting on August 22, there was no further discussion of the drafting team's text. There was a second reading of the cover email to be sent to the Plenary with the Subgroup's report, including the language used to characterize the Subgroup's response to comments suggesting that the UNGP be expressly mentioned. There was also a lengthy discussion of procedural matters relating to the minority statement submitted by Jorge. Best regards, Greg On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> wrote: Thanks Jorge. You may recall that in one version of the revised “Considerations” language proposed by me on the list, I included a specific reference to ICANN the organisation using the assessment tool specified in Ruggie Principle 18(b). This suggestion was rejected by the rest of the drafting team. As far as I know, there were not separate drafting team calls and everyone participated on the list and proposed language on the general list. I am not certain how the final language arose, but in the end I elected to support it. I do think that if either Kavouss or you as active members would have chosen to become drafting team members, the language might have been better. Thank you Anne Anne E. Aikman-Scalese Of Counsel 520.629.4428<tel:(520)%20629-4428> office 520.879.4725<tel:(520)%20879-4725> fax AAikman@lrrc.com<mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com> _____________________________ [cid:image001.png@01D33073.9D517550] Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP One South Church Avenue, Suite 700 Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611 lrrc.com<http://lrrc.com/> From:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org>]On Behalf Of Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:04 AM To: lists@nielstenoever.net<mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net> Cc: thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br<mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br>;ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org> Subject: [Ws2-hr] dissenting opinion - final version for transmittal to CCWG plenary Dear Niels, As anticipated, please find hereunder the final version of the dissenting opinion I would like to file to the report from the Subgroup: == "This dissenting opinion is based on serious concerns about the Sub-Group's treatment of the substantial comments and proposals submitted during the public comment period by the Governments of Brazil, Switzerland and the United Kingdom (who are all active members of the GAC's Human Rights and International Law Working Group). Their expectation was that a properly balanced result would reflect some if not all of the positions and proposals made in their responses. The governments are dismayed to note, however, that there are no changes of any significance to the draft FoI and Considerations documents that addresses any of the substantial issueswhich they raised. In particular, the three Governments were in full agreement that the FOI text should make stronger reference to the UN Guiding Principles as the most relevant voluntary international standard. However, the Subgroup did not undertake an inclusive effort to determine if a compromise text could be formulated that would accommodate this position of the three governments. Furthermore, the drafting team which was created by the Sub-Group in order to develop changes to the draft texts following consideration of the inputs received, lacked appropriate stakeholder balance as there was no open invitation to participate in the drafting team, which contributed to having no Government representation on this team. This dissenting opinion is supported by Jorge Cancio (Switzerland) and Kavouss Arasteh (Iran), members of this Subgroup, and the representatives of the Governments of Brazil and UK who are observers on this Subgroup, and the representative of the Government of Peru.” == Thanks for including it in the final report to be transmitted to the CCWG Plenary for its consideration. Kind regards Jorge Von:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]Im Auftrag von MSSI Secretariat Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. August 2017 00:54 An: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Cc: ws2-hr@icann.org<mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] Recordings, DAIRs, Raw Caption Notes for Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #32 | 29 August 2017 Hello all, You may find the recordings,Decisions, Action Items, Requests (DAIRs), and raw caption notes for CCWG Accountability WS2Human Rights Subgroup - Meeting #32 – 29 August 2017 posted at https://community.icann.org/x/LwIhB The transcript will be posted on when it becomes available (usually in 3 to 5 business days after the call). A copy of the DAIRs and raw caption notes may be found below. Thank you. Kind Regards, Yvette Guigneaux (MSSI) Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives Projects & Operations Assistant. 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