August 2017 - Ws2-jurisdiction

Jurisdiction Subgroup: The Path Forward
by Greg Shatan Aug. 19, 2017

Aug. 19, 2017

Jurisdiction Subgroup Members, As explained by Staff at our last meeting on 9 August, we have until *11 October* to submit a draft set of recommendations to the Plenary for consideration as a first reading if any such recommendations are to be accepted by the Plenary, published for Public Consultation and included in the Final WS2 Report. In other words, we have about *8 weeks* to develop a draft set of recommendations and come to consensus on these. Obviously, given this time-frame, we have to accept that we will not be able to address all issues. In fact, the only realistic approach, if we want to deliver any recommendations, is to pick a handful of issues (2 to 4) on which we can all agree and for which we believe we can propose recommendations that will achieve consensus. I remain optimistic that we can do this if we can agree, meaning everyone will have to compromise, to select this limited number of issues over the next very few weeks and work diligently at meetings and on the list to develop recommendations for these. To reach this objective I would propose the following approach: - *Each participant should pick one issue which they believe is in scope for us and post that issue to the list prior to our meeting of 23 August. More specifically:* - *Issues should be very specific -- avoid open-ended, abstract or omnibus issues* - *Issue description should be succinct -- 12 standard lines maximum* - *Proposed solutions – if you have a possible solution or recommendation which should be considered, please include it (again, being succinct).* - *Put your issue in a new email (not a reply), with the subject ISSUE: [name of issue]* - *The sooner, the better* I look forward to discussing this proposal at our next meeting of *16 August* and I would encourage participants to comment on this proposal in response to this email prior to that meeting. Greg

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Request (in preparation for substantive discussion of proposed issues and proposed solutions)
by Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira Aug. 19, 2017

Aug. 19, 2017

Dear Greg, Dear All, Mindful of the constraints of time, and with a view to advancing towards a final report around which consensus might form, may I request that participants who are generally opposed to granting ICANN immunity provide examples of ICANN’s activities that they believe should continue to be subject to the normal operation of national laws? I am sure we can benefit from the expertise of many participants in the subgroup, and would recall in this respect an email sent by Mike Rodenbaugh on 21 June 2017, who admittedly is “one who fights ICANN in many legal matters, on behalf of clients from all over the world”. Mike said he would like to “have a chance to refute such thinking [that ICANN should be immune from national courts] with real-world examples that have already happened or all still ongoing.” http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ws2-jurisdiction/2017-June/001149.html Best regards, Thiago

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Raw Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #42 - 16 August 2017
by MSSI Secretariat Aug. 16, 2017

Aug. 16, 2017

Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #42– 16 August 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/SQIhB A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D316AF.81DF9DC0] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107 Action Items: * GS – Post amended way forward process to list ASAP and ask all participants to submit issues per deadline. * GS and Staff – sort the issues list on Tuesday 22 August in preparation for 23 August meeting. Raw Captioning Notes Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272137/JURISDICTION%20SU…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272137/JURISDICTION%20SU…> Decisions: * Going Forward Proposal – Several modifications were agreed to during the call: * Participants can submit more than one issue, but if they do so they need to prioritize these (1, 2, 3, etc.) * All issues to be considered should have a proposed solution * Issues can be sent to the email list or input on the Google sheet * https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zAMj3Oz8TEqbjauOyqt09Ef-1ada9TrC7i6… * Those who see their issue/solution proposed by another participant can simply post that they support that issue statement. * Issues should be posted by 23:59 Monday 23 August * As per previous requirements, issues and solutions need to be presented succinctly. Requests: * Everyone should submit the issues they wish discussed on the Wednesday 23 August call by 23:59 Monday 21 August.

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Agenda and Documents for Tomorrow's Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting
by Greg Shatan Aug. 16, 2017

Aug. 16, 2017

All, Here is the agenda and accompanying documents for tomorrow's meeting. I look forward to our call. Greg

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Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction Subgroup: The Path Forward
by Seun Ojedeji Aug. 12, 2017

Aug. 12, 2017

Hello Greg, If I recall correctly there was a call to log issues twice now. Can you provide the URL where the issues are documented for people to pick from OR are you suggesting to hit another reset and start logging issues again? Regards PS: I hope I will get a response this time as I don't get response from you including when I even write you privately to remind you of my question. Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Aug 12, 2017 12:13 AM, "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> wrote: Jurisdiction Subgroup Members, As explained by Staff at our last meeting on 9 August, we have until *11 October* to submit a draft set of recommendations to the Plenary for consideration as a first reading if any such recommendations are to be accepted by the Plenary, published for Public Consultation and included in the Final WS2 Report. In other words, we have about *8 weeks* to develop a draft set of recommendations and come to consensus on these. Obviously, given this time-frame, we have to accept that we will not be able to address all issues. In fact, the only realistic approach, if we want to deliver any recommendations, is to pick a handful of issues (2 to 4) on which we can all agree and for which we believe we can propose recommendations that will achieve consensus. I remain optimistic that we can do this if we can agree, meaning everyone will have to compromise, to select this limited number of issues over the next very few weeks and work diligently at meetings and on the list to develop recommendations for these. To reach this objective I would propose the following approach: - *Each participant should pick one issue which they believe is in scope for us and post that issue to the list prior to our meeting of 23 August. More specifically:* - *Issues should be very specific -- avoid open-ended, abstract or omnibus issues* - *Issue description should be succinct -- 12 standard lines maximum* - *Proposed solutions – if you have a possible solution or recommendation which should be considered, please include it (again, being succinct).* - *Put your issue in a new email (not a reply), with the subject ISSUE: [name of issue]* - *The sooner, the better* I look forward to discussing this proposal at our next meeting of *16 August* and I would encourage participants to comment on this proposal in response to this email prior to that meeting. Greg _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction

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Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #41 - 9 August 2017
by MSSI Secretariat Aug. 10, 2017

Aug. 10, 2017

Hello all, The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #41– 9 August 2017 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/RgIhB A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI) Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) [cid:image001.png@01D3113A.26747CA0] Skype: brenda.brewer.icann Phone: 1-310-745-1107 Action Items: * GS -Review list of questions vs OFAC (not from transcript) for the end of the week. * Staff (BT) – Request Sam Eisner review transcript of her meeting with the Jurisdiction group on OFAC and ensure that her answers to questions were properly captured. * GS-Staff – Develop a draft of chapter headings for the final report for early next week to be reviewed by the sub-group. Raw Captioning Notes Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. * Word Doc<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272134/Jurisdiction%20Su…> * PDF<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272134/Jurisdiction%20Su…> Decisions: * (none) Requests: * Everyone should review the questions they asked on OFAC and advise if they were answered and if they understood the answers (Thiago suggestion). Documents Presented * REVISED OFAC AND OTHER SANCTIONS QUESTIONS<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272134/REVISED%20OFAC%20…> * WS2 Revised Timeline<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/69272134/WS2%20Revised%20t…>

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[Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting-20170809-FinalTranscript
by Bernard Turcotte Aug. 9, 2017

Aug. 9, 2017

All, As discussed during the call I am attaching the Final Transcript of the 1 August meeting of the Jurisdiction sub-group (which is different than the raw captioning file) Also as discussed this has been forwarded to Samantha Eisner so she can review it to ensure her answer to questions were properly captured. We will forward the revised version once Samantha has had a chance to look at this. Bernard Turcotte ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2

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Materials for today's call
by Greg Shatan Aug. 9, 2017

Aug. 9, 2017

With apologies for getting this out so close to the call, I attach the questions prepared for last week, with the additional questions that came in too late to be included, as well as the WS2 timeline. Greg

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Agenda for Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting, August 9, 2017, 19:00 UTC
by Greg Shatan Aug. 9, 2017

Aug. 9, 2017

All, I have attached the agenda for tomorrow's meeting of the Jurisdiction Subgroup. Documents will follow. I look forward to our call. Greg

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WRITTEN ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED DURING THE CALL
by Kavouss Arasteh Aug. 8, 2017

Aug. 8, 2017

Dear Sam, With tks to your presentation, pls kindly note that I nned written answers to the questions raised before the meeting and those during the meeing either as intervention or in the chat. Regards Kavouss

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