August 2016 - Ws2-jurisdiction

Notes, recordings, transcripts of WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #1_26 August
by Brenda Brewer Aug. 29, 2016

Aug. 29, 2016

Hello all, The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #1 - 26 August 2016 will be available here: https://community.icann.org/x/BRKsAw A copy of the notes may be found below. Thank you. With kind regards, Brenda Brewer MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant ICANN - Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers Notes Welcome (Greg Shatan) Meeting Time * Greg Shatan: * One 1-hour meeting per week * Doodle poll results considered, but not dispositive * Proposal: Balanced rotation * Alternating meetings at 1900 and 1300 * No objections for the moment - we can revisit at a later date. Working Methods * Vinay Kesari: (presentation of the slide) * Kavouss Arasteh: Not happy with 1900UTC slot. * Milton Mueller: do we really need to meet once per week? * Greg Shatan: Seems optional. Timeline * Greg Shatan: (presentation of slide). We have a complex topic and will not be completed in the short term. Work Plan and Schedule Overview * Greg Shatan: (presentation of slide) - Should be presenting final product to the CCWG in February. * Vinay Kesari: Hi Jeff, we didn't want to assume everyone was familiar since it's entirely possible there are participants who are new to the process as a whole * David McAuley (RySG): We need to discuss process - it seems fair when the whole group is together and a good place to start. We have a general guide in WS1 final report. * Matthew Shears: I see this as a necessary first step - as Vinay says not everyone may have had the "benefit" of participating in the CCWGs etc. * Milton Mueller: "no plan, no guidelines, no vision. perhaps it is planned to do nothing" - join the nihilist caucus! * Kavouss Arasteh: We are not on the same page. Greg suggesting or submitting his own views without consulting us. Discussion Items * Staff Paper * Greg Shatan: will skip given we cannot present it and we started late because of the technical issues. * Topic Definition and Scope * Kavouss Arasteh: timing issues * David McAuley: We should get suggestions on a work plan for the next month. * Paul McGrady: echo DM. * Milton Mueller: Cannot understand some people's issues with the staff paper. Can we get some insight here? * Greg Shatan: For all those who have not please have a look at the google doc to have discussions on the list.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jt6Rb5UjzNwd5WXZ0Bt1W5ryiiQ-lB690v… * Other Inputs (aside from Staff Paper) * (not covered) * Work Plan, Schedule, Deliverable * Greg Shatan: Next call will be September 8th 1300UTC. * AOB * Greg Shatan: Adjourned.

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Slides for First Meeting of Jurisdiction Subgroup
by Greg Shatan Aug. 25, 2016

Aug. 25, 2016

All, Attached are the slides that will be used in the upcoming meeting of the Jurisdiction Subgroup. We look forward to talking with you shortly. Best regards, Greg & Vinay

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Staff paper on jurisdiction posted
by Karen Mulberry Aug. 25, 2016

Aug. 25, 2016

I wanted to let you know that the staff paper on Jurisdiction has been posted at https://community.icann.org/x/khWOAw Karen Mulberry Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives ICANN

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Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted
by Karen Mulberry Aug. 24, 2016

Aug. 24, 2016

Jorge, The Subgroup is free to use the information as it wishes, the intention was to provide some background from WS1 discussions and references to the subgroup as it starts its work. Karen Mulberry Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives ICANN From: "Jorge.Cancio(a)bakom.admin.ch" <Jorge.Cancio(a)bakom.admin.ch> Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 10:22 AM To: Karen Mulberry <karen.mulberry(a)icann.org>, "ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org" <ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org> Cc: ACCT-Staff <acct-staff(a)icann.org>, "Thomas Rickert (thomas(a)rickert.net)" <thomas(a)rickert.net> Subject: AW: Staff paper on jurisdiction posted Thanks for this information. I wonder whether we are allowed to make comments to the staff document. A change/edit modus would probably be helpful. As a general remark, I feel that staff comments/opinions should be clearly labeled as such and distinguished from what was agreed in the ws1 paper (i.e. Annex 12), where we said basically the following: In the summary (points 2 and 5) ³Addressing jurisdiction-related questions, namely: ³Can ICANN¹s accountability be enhanced depending on the laws applicable to its actions?² The CCWG-Accountability anticipates focusing on the question of applicable law for contracts and dispute settlements.³ And in the ³topic development² (starting at point 25): ³25 Jurisdiction 26 Jurisdiction directly influences the way ICANN¹s accountability processes are structured and operationalized. The fact that ICANN is incorporated under the laws of the U.S. State of California grants the corporation certain rights and implies the existence of certain accountability mechanisms. It also imposes some limits with respect to the accountability mechanisms it can adopt. 27 The topic of jurisdiction is, as a consequence, very relevant for the CCWG-Accountability. ICANN is a nonprofit public benefit corporation incorporated in California and subject to applicable California state laws, applicable U.S. federal laws and both state and federal court jurisdiction. ICANN is subject to a provision in paragraph eight1 of the Affirmation of Commitments, signed in 2009 between ICANN and the U.S. Government. 28 ICANN¹s Bylaws (Article XVIII) also state that its principal offices shall be in California. 29 The CCWG-Accountability has acknowledged that jurisdiction is a multi-layered issue and has identified the following "layers²: · Place and jurisdiction of incorporation and operations, including governance of internal affairs, tax system, human resources, etc. · Jurisdiction of places of physical presence. · Governing law for contracts with registrars and registries and the ability to sue and be sued in a specific jurisdiction about contractual relationships. · Ability to sue and be sued in a specific jurisdiction for action or inaction of staff and for redress and review of Board action or inaction, including as relates to IRP outcomes and other accountability and transparency issues, including the Affirmation of Commitments. · Relationships with the national jurisdictions for particular domestic issues (ccTLDs managers, protected names either for international institutions or country and other geographic names, national security, etc.), privacy, freedom of expression. · Meeting NTIA requirements. 30 At this point in the CCWG-Accountability¹s work, the main issues that need to be investigated within Work Stream 2 relate to the influence that ICANN´s existing jurisdiction may have on the actual operation of policies and accountability mechanisms. This refers primarily to the process for the settlement of disputes within ICANN, involving the choice of jurisdiction and of the applicable laws, but not necessarily the location where ICANN is incorporated: · Consideration of jurisdiction in Work Stream 2 will focus on the settlement of dispute jurisdiction issues and include: o Confirming and assessing the gap analysis, clarifying all concerns regarding the multi-layer jurisdiction issue. o Identifying potential alternatives and benchmarking their ability to match all CCWG-Accountability requirements using the current framework. o Consider potential Work Stream 2 recommendations based on the conclusions of this analysis. 31 A specific Subgroup of the CCWG-Accountability will be formed to undertake this work.² As I commented also in another subgroup, I feel that we should start exactly where we left the different issues in ws1 (i.e. the final report), and not try to reword, selectively quote and/or reorder what was decided then. Hope this is helpful Regards Jorge Von: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Karen Mulberry Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. August 2016 17:56 An: ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org Cc: ACCT-Staff <acct-staff(a)icann.org>; Thomas Rickert (thomas(a)rickert.net) <thomas(a)rickert.net> Betreff: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Staff paper on jurisdiction posted I wanted to let you know that the staff paper on Jurisdiction has been posted at https://community.icann.org/x/khWOAw Karen Mulberry Multistakeholder Strategy and Strategic Initiatives ICANN

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Checking and Changing Your Status in WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup
by Greg Shatan Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

All, If you are unsure whether you are a Member (a/k/a "Active Participant") or an Observer, please go to https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Jurisdiction. If you wish to change your status, please contact the secretariat at acct-staff(a)icann.org. Best regards, Greg Shatan Co-Rapporteur

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Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!
by tijani.benjemaa＠topnet.tn Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

For the purpose of sharing the inconvenience of difficult time for the call, I also accept time rotation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIJANI BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 17 août 2016 à 18:35, McAuley, David <dmcauley(a)verisign.com> a écrit : Thanks Greg and others for moving this forward. I personally think that the time should be rotated to allow for a fair distribution of the inconvenience of participating in off-hours. David David McAuley International Policy Manager Verisign Inc. 703-948-4154 FROM: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] ON BEHALF OF Greg Shatan SENT: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 1:30 PM TO: Mike Silber CC: ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org SUBJECT: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup! All, Thanks for your comments to date. We've heard from about a half-dozen members so far, and it would be helpful to hear from more before fixing a long-term slot or rotation. In my view we need to accommodate our members as best we can, so we can do our work; those are the demographics we need to deal with. I will note that "Iran and west" includes not only NA and EU, but also AF (as pointed out by Mike Silber) and SA, as well as the Middle East, Western Asia and portions of Central Asia. I will also note that among the 4 respondents from "east of Iran" the votes for the 13:00 time slot, there were 2 yes votes, 1 if need be and 1 no. All that said, this is a decision to be made by the group, and as such, the more members' voices heard the better. I'm not sure running another doodle poll would help, but I'd rather let the discussion go forward first. One shortcoming of polls is that they do not allow for dialogue. As such, if there is another poll, let's have it after further dialogue, so that the participants can keep in mind various viewpoints as they respond. In the interests of transparency, here are the quantitative results from the Doodle poll. I excluded all results involving the 05:00 time slot, since there was little support for this slot in any configuration. Greg FIXED TIME VS. ROTATION SURVEY MEMBERS ONLY YES IF NEED BE NO 19:00 Fixed Time 18 1 4 13:00 Fixed Time 10 3 10 13/19 Rotation 11 7 5 ALL PARTICIPANTS 19:00 Fixed Time 21 2 7 13:00 Fixed Time 13 5 12 13/19 Rotation 13 9 8 TIME OF DAY SURVEY (Yes : If Need Be : No) MEMBERS ONLY MONDAY TUESDAY WEDNESDAY THURSDAY FRIDAY 19:00 20:0:9 16:1:11 17:1:10 17:0:11 14:0:14 13:00 10:2:17 17:4:11 14:3:11 14:2:12 15:2:11 ALL PARTICIPANTS 19:00 24:2:10 19:3:14 21:2:14 20:0:16 18:1:17 13:00 15:2:19 17:5:14 19:3:14 17:2:17 20:2:14 On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Mike Silber <silber.mike(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:26, Mueller, Milton L <milton(a)gatech.edu> wrote: Greg: I think it makes sense to alternate the meeting time, especially if there was something near to a bimodal distribution of preferences. While it may be true that a (NA-EU) majority finds the 19:00 UTC time most convenient, by alternating we can incorporate the preferences of a larger segment of the group. Just as aside - AF finds 19:00 convenient too, but it seems the thoughts of Africa are not that relevant _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction

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UN accountability and "international jurisdiction"
by Mueller, Milton L Aug. 23, 2016

Aug. 23, 2016

While we are all waiting for the show to begin, here is a popcorn-worthy article about the accountability of intergovernmental organizations. Six years after thousands of Haitians died from a cholera epidemic that the UN now admits it played a role in creating, the Federal Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a lower-court ruling that said the U.N. is immune from any kind of lawsuit under an international convention. Here's an article about the court decision http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/world/americas/united-nations-cholera-hai… In 2011, lawyers with the Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti organized 5,000 cholera victims and their families to seek redress within the United Nations, but in 2013, its Office of Legal Affairs rejected their claims as "not receivable." The lawyers then filed the case, Georges v. United Nations, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, which ruled in favor of the United Nations in early 2015. Thursday's decision was in response to an appeal of that ruling. Lawyers arguing on behalf of the United Nations were from the United States Justice Department. They defended the world body's immunity under its Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations, to which the United States is a signatory. Somehow I think this is relevant to the jurisdiction issue, at least as some people conceive it. Dr. Milton L Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology Internet Governance Project http://internetgovernance.org/

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Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!
by Kavouss Arasteh Aug. 18, 2016

Aug. 18, 2016

Jijani The concept of observer is clear The Person who participate at the meeting without the right to express any views without o the consent of the chair . He or she can not intervene more than once unless the lisse i directly touches his or her interest It shall noz eligible to vote 2016-08-13 20:06 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji(a)gmail.com>: > As I am observer, this most likely would not reach the mailing list(which > is right), what may not be accurate(which i also noted to Greg) is that > observers are not restricted from joining the calls. They can indeed > participate in the call if they so wish. So Tijani's understanding is > somewhat how I understood this as well. > > Perhaps in the interest of saving funds, observers who wants to join the > call may only use the AC and not receive special dialout. > > Regards > > Sent from my LG G4 > Kindly excuse brevity and typos > > On 13 Aug 2016 18:51, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <tijani.benjemaa(a)topnet.tn> > wrote: > >> Kavouss, >> >> There is no mention of « Observers » in the CCWG Charter. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ----------------- >> *Tijani BEN JEMAA* >> Executive Director >> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*) >> Phone: +216 98 330 114 >> +216 52 385 114 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ----------------- >> >> Le 13 août 2016 à 18:20, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh(a)gmail.com> a >> écrit : >> >> Tijani >> Peut être la définition se trouve dans notre Charter >> Salutations >> Kavouss >> >> 2016-08-13 19:07 GMT+02:00 Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa(a)topnet.tn>: >> >>> Bonsoir Alain, >>> >>> Je ne trouve pas de définition des observateurs pour les sous-groupes du >>> WS 2. Maintenant, et d’une manière informelle, ils donnent aux observateurs >>> le statut de « voyeurs » passifs. >>> Au plaisir de te revoir à Hyderabad >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ----------------- >>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA* >>> Directeur Exécutif >>> Fédération Méditerranéenne des associations d'Internet (*FMAI*) >>> Phone: +216 98 330 114 >>> +216 52 385 114 >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ----------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 13 août 2016 à 00:18, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> a écrit : >>> >>> Thanks, Vinay! You are correct. >>> >>> The page where the roles are discussed is here: https://docs.google.com/ >>> document/d/1Iw5yn9GRk8RcnTJzclwB-JuSe3B6JugEj_0oGOCseqU/edit The >>> document states that observers will not actively participate and will not >>> have posting rights to the list. I believe the role of observers was also >>> described on at least one of the CCWG calls, as well. >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Vinay Kesari <vinay.kesari(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Parminder, >>>> >>>> 1. People can check their status here: https://community.icann. >>>> org/display/WEIA/Jurisdiction >>>> >>>> 2. Anyone can change their status from 'observer' to 'active >>>> participant' at any time. I believe the appropriate way would be to get in >>>> touch with staff at <acct-staff(a)icann.org> and simply request a >>>> change. You may perhaps be asked to fill out a Statement of Interest if you >>>> haven't already, but I don't think there are any other requirements. As far >>>> as you're concerned I think you're an active participant already. Happy to >>>> be corrected on all of this by anyone though. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Vinay >>>> >>>> PS: Taking the liberty of responding since Greg will likely >>>> (hopefully?) be asleep at this point. :) >>>> >>>> On 12 August 2016 at 09:51, parminder <parminder(a)itforchange.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 12 August 2016 02:19 AM, Greg Shatan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I've been reviewing the results of the Doodle polls on call times, and >>>>> I see that quite a number of votes came from "Observers." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Greg. Two things; >>>>> 1. How to know one's status? >>>>> 2. Can one simply upgrade oneself from observer to member. >>>>> >>>>> best, parminder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I understand it, "Observers" do not get invited to the calls. If >>>>> you want to participate in the calls, you will need to upgrade your status >>>>> to "Member." >>>>> >>>>> I think we will need to find a way to discount the votes of Observers >>>>> when considering the results, since their time constraints should not >>>>> affect the outcome (because they won't be on the calls...) >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate the high level of compliance (another subgroup Rapporteur >>>>> was concerned that their Doodle poll had zero responses), but I'm not sure >>>>> why "Observers" voted at all. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if I'm missing something. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *REMINDER: THE DOODLE POLLS WILL CLOSE TODAY, AUGUST 11, AT 23:59 >>>>>> UTC. PLEASE PARTICIPATE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO. THANK YOU.* >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Participants in the CCWG-Accountability WS2 Subgroup on >>>>>>> Jurisdiction, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m pleased to welcome you to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup on >>>>>>> behalf of myself and Vinay Kesari. Vinay and I are co-rapporteurs of this >>>>>>> subgroup. We look forward to working with all of you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In order to get started we’ll need to determine the best time or >>>>>>> times to have Subgroup calls. The Subgroups can have meetings at 0500, >>>>>>> 1300 and 1900 UTC. There are slots available on all days of the week (but >>>>>>> not all slots are available on all days, since slots have already been >>>>>>> taken by the CCWG and by other subgroups). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Initially, we expect to have one 1-hour call each week. In order to >>>>>>> determine when to have these calls, we have set up two Doodle polls: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. *Best time(s) of day for you*. IMPORTANT NOTES: This is a *day >>>>>>> and time *poll only, for the ongoing work of this group*. Please >>>>>>> ignore the specific dates next week.* (For your convenience, >>>>>>> times are shown in your time zone, not UTC.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/i9g3gmehaa6muhgr >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. *Rotation vs. fixed time*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/2ypry3gfgzq4h62b >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please respond by *23:59 UTC* on *Thursday, August 11*, so that we >>>>>>> can get our process underway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg Shatan >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing listWs2-jurisdiction@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >>>>> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >>>> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >>> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >>> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >> >>

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Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!
by Greg Shatan Aug. 13, 2016

Aug. 13, 2016

Dear Participants in the CCWG-Accountability WS2 Subgroup on Jurisdiction, I’m pleased to welcome you to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup on behalf of myself and Vinay Kesari. Vinay and I are co-rapporteurs of this subgroup. We look forward to working with all of you. In order to get started we’ll need to determine the best time or times to have Subgroup calls. The Subgroups can have meetings at 0500, 1300 and 1900 UTC. There are slots available on all days of the week (but not all slots are available on all days, since slots have already been taken by the CCWG and by other subgroups). Initially, we expect to have one 1-hour call each week. In order to determine when to have these calls, we have set up two Doodle polls: 1. *Best time(s) of day for you*. IMPORTANT NOTES: This is a *day and time *poll only, for the ongoing work of this group*. Please ignore the specific dates next week.* (For your convenience, times are shown in your time zone, not UTC.) LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/i9g3gmehaa6muhgr 2. *Rotation vs. fixed time*. LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/2ypry3gfgzq4h62b Please respond by *23:59 UTC* on *Thursday, August 11*, so that we can get our process underway. Best regards, Greg Shatan

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Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!
by Greg Shatan Aug. 9, 2016

Aug. 9, 2016

Kavouss, In that case, it would be most helpful if you could edit your responses to the polls, so that the polls accurately reflect participants' availability. Thank you. Greg On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In that case, > I will be only avalable at 19,00 UTC. > > > 2016-08-09 23:00 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com>: > >> As per the Co-Chairs and staff support of the CCWG-Accountability, the >> only times available for subgroup meetings are 05:00, 13:00 and 19:00 UTC. >> There is a master schedule being kept that will avoid overlaps with other >> subgroups and with the CCWG plenary meetings. >> >> Greg Shatan >> Co-Rapporteur >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Kavouss Arasteh < >> kavouss.arasteh(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am sorry . >>> I have all other business expect 20,00 hours. >>> 19, 00 was taken by other groups >>> It is incumbent to you to look at the master Plan and avoid any >>> overlapping >>> During the comming months >>> I will only be available at 20,00 or 21.30 UTC, UNLESS PEOPLE WISH TO >>> EXCLUDE ME >>> Kavouss >>> >>> 2016-08-09 0:21 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Dear Participants in the CCWG-Accountability WS2 Subgroup on >>>> Jurisdiction, >>>> >>>> I’m pleased to welcome you to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup on behalf >>>> of myself and Vinay Kesari. Vinay and I are co-rapporteurs of this >>>> subgroup. We look forward to working with all of you. >>>> >>>> In order to get started we’ll need to determine the best time or times >>>> to have Subgroup calls. The Subgroups can have meetings at 0500, 1300 and >>>> 1900 UTC. There are slots available on all days of the week (but not all >>>> slots are available on all days, since slots have already been taken by the >>>> CCWG and by other subgroups). >>>> >>>> Initially, we expect to have one 1-hour call each week. In order to >>>> determine when to have these calls, we have set up two Doodle polls: >>>> >>>> 1. *Best time(s) of day for you*. IMPORTANT NOTES: This is a *day >>>> and time *poll only, for the ongoing work of this group*. Please >>>> ignore the specific dates next week.* (For your convenience, times >>>> are shown in your time zone, not UTC.) >>>> >>>> LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/i9g3gmehaa6muhgr >>>> >>>> 2. *Rotation vs. fixed time*. >>>> >>>> LINK TO DOODLE POLL: http://doodle.com/poll/2ypry3gfgzq4h62b >>>> >>>> Please respond by *23:59 UTC* on *Thursday, August 11*, so that we can >>>> get our process underway. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Greg Shatan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list >>>> Ws2-jurisdiction(a)icann.org >>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

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