Sadly I cannot join you tomorrow. I support Greg's original language. More importantly as I have said before I disagree with Thiago's attempts to keep the issue of incorporation jurisdiction open. We have a way forward that let's us do work. Let's take it. -- Paul Rosenzweig Sent from myMail app for Android Tuesday, 13 June 2017, 06:09PM -04:00 from Greg Shatan gregshatanipc@gmail.com :
Thiago,
Thank you for your email and suggested edits. We'll see what support there is for these edits vs. the original phrasings arrived at on last week's call. I would observe that the original phrasings were developed in an attempt to find somewhat of a middle ground that could gain support from disparate members of the Subgroup.
We'll also have to see what support there is for your arguments that choosing an option in Table I is not necessary or appropriate. There are certainly some who agree with you, and then there are clearly others who disagree. By the way, I note your arguments are procedural. It would be helpful to understand your substantive concerns as well. I don't understand where you believe that "conflation" is occurring or how it would mislead some. In any event, I think the contrasting approaches are clear and should not mislead anyone.
Best regards,
Greg
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira < thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br > wrote:
Dear Greg,
I took the liberty to edit part of your table (with tracked changes) for the purposes of clarity about a couple of points others and I have been trying to make. The document is attached.
The first point is that choosing one of different approaches under "I. Limitations of Subgroup's Scope" is not necessary. In the document attached, for illustrative purposes, I only slightly changed the wording of the first approach on the "Focus of the Subgroup's work", and we would achieve the same result without having to tie our hands. I believe it is quite clear that, if we were to follow that approach, no reason compels us to assume ICANN will either remain or not in California for us to get our work done.
The second point is that choosing one of different approaches under "I. Limitations of Subgroup's Scope" is not appropriate. This limits our ability to discuss remedies, and this limitation would come at a stage where we have not discussed the problems that may need to be remedied. Again, there was agreement within the Subgroup that our work should address issues first, and only discuss remedies once the issues have been identified, which is logical.
A final observation is that the table conflates approaches that address remedies with approaches to identify issues (sometimes even under the same headings). To me this seems confusing and might mislead some.
Best,
Thiago
-----Mensagem original----- De: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org ] Em nome de Greg Shatan Enviada em: segunda-feira, 12 de junho de 2017 03:08 Para: ws2-jurisdiction Assunto: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Potential Position Alternatives - Scope and Focus
All,
Based on our call last week, I've reviewed the captioning transcript and chat transcript and pulled out the various formulations of different positions on the Subgroup's scope and focus. I've edited some of the statements for clarity and written vs. oral presentation, but endeavored not to change the meaning in any case.
The attached document has three charts (Scope, Focus, Immunity Question). In each chart, each column represents a significantly different approach to the issue. Within each column, the statements are largely similar, but do have some difference that will need to be resolved.
Ideally, we will be able to come to consensus on an approach for each of these issues.
I've also attached a revised copy of the transcript. I found significant gaps and mistranscriptions, so I listened to the MP3 and corrected a number of errors.
Please review and respond.
Greg
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