May I respectfully suggest that we are getting nowhere on this. We need to find a way forward or we will keep going around and around Many in the subgroup do not support sending out Question 4. We have articulated reasons for that on several occasions. I have considered carefully the arguments of those who do support sending out Question 4 and after thinking about it carefully, I cannot find a basis for agreeing to send out the question. My thoughts are captured by David McC’s post on why this is a rabbit hole I oppose starting down. Others in the group feel strongly that question 4 should go out. Some feel so strongly that they are of the view that it is all or nothing. While I don’t agree with them and while I certainly don’t agree with the idea that saying “all or nothing” is respectful of other people, I am not going to try any longer to change their minds. If all or nothing is the only choice available, I think the way forward is clear – let’s do nothing and shelve the idea of a questionnaire altogether. If anyone has concrete data to add (as Faranzeh did) they can do so as and when they wish. Paul Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/> www.redbranchconsulting.com My PGP Key: <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 From: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 12:26 PM To: Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>; Olga Cavalli <occ@mrecic.gov.ar>; María Milagros Castañon Seoane <mcastanon@rree.gob.pe>; Pedro Ivo Ferraz da Silva <pedro.ivo@itamaraty.gov.br>; Perez Galindo, Rafael <RPEREZGA@minetur.es>; DE SALINS Ghislain <ghislain.de-salins@finances.gouv.fr>; Manal Ismail <manal@tra.gov.eg>; Alice Munyua <alice@dotafrica.org>; GUO Feng <guofeng@caict.ac.cn> Cc: ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction Questionnaire: RESPONSE REQUESTED Dear All With all due respect, I strongly oppose detaching questions 1-3 from Q 4. Either ALL 4Qs or nothing. Pls collaborate This is counterproductive that from the very begining few people oppose to Q4 Regards Kavouss 2017-01-09 17:56 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu> >: I support all the revisions to 1-3 and to the preamble that were proposed and gained support on the recent call. Essentially I support sending out the text Greg sent in his Jan 7 email unmodified. If we conclude that a questionnaire must go out then I support questions 1-3 as widely supported in the survey we did – with no question 4. MM: I agree with David here, although I would be happy if we simply detach Q4, work on it some more until it is acceptable, and send it out later. I note that all the discussion and disagreement about what to do next comes from Q4. Once again, it is holding us up. Let’s cut the Gordian knot and detach the 1-3 from it, please, and move on. Dr. Milton L Mueller Professor, <http://spp.gatech.edu/> School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology Internet Governance Project <http://internetgovernance.org/> http://internetgovernance.org/ _______________________________________________ Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org <mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction