Re: [Ws2-so_ac] Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
For those who may desire it for our call, attached is a PDF version of the Google Sheet<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> with proposed responses to public comments From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:44 PM To: "ws2-so_ac@icann.org<mailto:ws2-so_ac@icann.org>" <ws2-so_ac@icann.org<mailto:ws2-so_ac@icann.org>>, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org<mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org>>, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>>, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net<mailto:thomas@rickert.net>> Cc: Brenda Brewer <mssi-secretariat@icann.org<mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org>> Subject: Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC. Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC. CALL DETAILS: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects <https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects> Mobile: tel://1-712-770-4218*,,2731447485# Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed). After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again. Agenda 0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min- CLO ) Apologies 1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min- SDB, CLO) 2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text. 3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25 -35 min SDB, FB) * Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges. Please see this Document<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call) 4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB) * - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not. - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates. 5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO) August Dates: Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr> Cheryl Langdon-O rr ... (CLO) about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr
Thanks, Steve. Is there a specific response to a part of the Board's comments, which I have pasted below? Does the group believe that this would be useful to support SO/AC accountability and the sharing of information about SO/AC accountability with the ICANN community and the public? "We also believe it is important that links to all key documents on SO/AC transparency and accountability (such as policies, procedures, and documented practices) be available from ICANN’s main website, such as through a subheading under “accountability”. This would provide easy and consistent access amongst and between SOs and ACs. The Board assumes that these links/documents are already prominently displayed on each respective individual SO/AC website. With thanks, Rinalia On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 at 6:03 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
For those who may desire it for our call, attached is a PDF version of the Google Sheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> with proposed responses to public comments
From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:44 PM To: "ws2-so_ac@icann.org" <ws2-so_ac@icann.org>, Steve DelBianco < sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> Cc: Brenda Brewer <mssi-secretariat@icann.org> Subject: Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
*Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on *Thursday 17th August @ 1300 *UTC.*
CALL DETAILS: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects <https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects>
Mobile: tel://1-712-770-4218*,,2731447485# Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed).
After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again.
*Agenda *
0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min- CLO ) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min- SDB, CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25 -35 min SDB, FB)
- Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges.
Please see this Document <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call)
4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB)
- - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not. - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO) August Dates: Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
*Cheryl Langdon-O **rr ... *(CLO)
about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me] <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
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Hi. This is a personal input from me and not an input from the Board. Regarding the responses to the Board's Track 2 and 3 comments on collective responsibility, I think it may be useful to apply the frame of accountability that guided the work of CCWG-Accountability (i.e., participation, transparency, appeal and redress). If within each SO/AC (including for engagement in EC processes), the standards for participation, transparency, appeals and redress apply, then the robustness of decision-making rises and the quality of the aggregate result rises. This to my mind would enhance "collective responsibility." The Ombudsbeing (as an alternative to Ombudsman or woman :) can be an additional part of the appeals and redress process as a safeguard in case internal SO/AC processes are not sufficient or failed or preferred by affected community members. I think allowing for the Ombuds to be invoked in EC-related matters is generally fine. I believe each SO/AC sets its own standards on participation, transparency, appeal and redress. The collective "average" on standards could rise with the proposed learning and sharing of best-practices across community and SO/ACs. What's important is that the SO/ACs are open to it and it seems from the public comments responses that they generally are. That's a good start. I hope this is useful. Best regards, Rinalia On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote:
For those who may desire it for our call, attached is a PDF version of the Google Sheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> with proposed responses to public comments
From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:44 PM To: "ws2-so_ac@icann.org" <ws2-so_ac@icann.org>, Steve DelBianco < sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> Cc: Brenda Brewer <mssi-secretariat@icann.org> Subject: Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
*Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on *Thursday 17th August @ 1300 *UTC.*
CALL DETAILS: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.i cann.org/mssi-projects <https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects>
Mobile: tel://1-712-770-4218*,,2731447485# Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed).
After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again.
*Agenda *
0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min- CLO ) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min- SDB, CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25 -35 min SDB, FB)
- Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges.
Please see this Document <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call)
4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB)
- - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not. - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO) August Dates: Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
*Cheryl Langdon-O **rr ... *(CLO)
about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me] <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
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Apologies for mislabeling. By "collective responsibility" I meant "collective accountability". Pre-breakfast emailing... Best regards, Rinalia Rinalia Abdul Rahim
On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim <rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
This is a personal input from me and not an input from the Board.
Regarding the responses to the Board's Track 2 and 3 comments on collective responsibility, I think it may be useful to apply the frame of accountability that guided the work of CCWG-Accountability (i.e., participation, transparency, appeal and redress). If within each SO/AC (including for engagement in EC processes), the standards for participation, transparency, appeals and redress apply, then the robustness of decision-making rises and the quality of the aggregate result rises. This to my mind would enhance "collective responsibility."
The Ombudsbeing (as an alternative to Ombudsman or woman :) can be an additional part of the appeals and redress process as a safeguard in case internal SO/AC processes are not sufficient or failed or preferred by affected community members. I think allowing for the Ombuds to be invoked in EC-related matters is generally fine.
I believe each SO/AC sets its own standards on participation, transparency, appeal and redress. The collective "average" on standards could rise with the proposed learning and sharing of best-practices across community and SO/ACs. What's important is that the SO/ACs are open to it and it seems from the public comments responses that they generally are. That's a good start.
I hope this is useful.
Best regards,
Rinalia
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org> wrote: For those who may desire it for our call, attached is a PDF version of the Google Sheet with proposed responses to public comments
From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:44 PM To: "ws2-so_ac@icann.org" <ws2-so_ac@icann.org>, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> Cc: Brenda Brewer <mssi-secretariat@icann.org> Subject: Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
CALL DETAILS: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects
Mobile: tel://1-712-770-4218*,,2731447485# Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed).
After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again.
Agenda
0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min- CLO ) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min- SDB, CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25 -35 min SDB, FB) Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges. Please see this Document for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call)
4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB) - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not. - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO) August Dates: Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
Cheryl Langdon-O rr ... (CLO)
about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr
_______________________________________________ Ws2-so_ac mailing list Ws2-so_ac@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-so_ac
There is a conflict between this call and the Reconvened IGO/INGO WG. I will try to monitor the Adobe Room for this call, but feel I should participate in the RIGOINGOWG call. Greg On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:12 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies for mislabeling. By "collective responsibility" I meant "collective accountability". Pre-breakfast emailing...
Best regards,
Rinalia
Rinalia Abdul Rahim
On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.
This is a personal input from me and not an input from the Board.
Regarding the responses to the Board's Track 2 and 3 comments on collective responsibility, I think it may be useful to apply the frame of accountability that guided the work of CCWG-Accountability (i.e., participation, transparency, appeal and redress). If within each SO/AC (including for engagement in EC processes), the standards for participation, transparency, appeals and redress apply, then the robustness of decision-making rises and the quality of the aggregate result rises. This to my mind would enhance "collective responsibility."
The Ombudsbeing (as an alternative to Ombudsman or woman :) can be an additional part of the appeals and redress process as a safeguard in case internal SO/AC processes are not sufficient or failed or preferred by affected community members. I think allowing for the Ombuds to be invoked in EC-related matters is generally fine.
I believe each SO/AC sets its own standards on participation, transparency, appeal and redress. The collective "average" on standards could rise with the proposed learning and sharing of best-practices across community and SO/ACs. What's important is that the SO/ACs are open to it and it seems from the public comments responses that they generally are. That's a good start.
I hope this is useful.
Best regards,
Rinalia
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco@netchoice.org
wrote:
For those who may desire it for our call, attached is a PDF version of the Google Sheet <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> with proposed responses to public comments
From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:44 PM To: "ws2-so_ac@icann.org" <ws2-so_ac@icann.org>, Steve DelBianco < sdelbianco@netchoice.org>, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com>, Thomas Rickert <thomas@rickert.net> Cc: Brenda Brewer <mssi-secretariat@icann.org> Subject: Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on Thursday 17th August @ 1300 UTC.
*Please join the Work Stream 2 - SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on *Thursday 17th August @ 1300 *UTC.*
CALL DETAILS: Link to Adobe Connect: https://participate.i cann.org/mssi-projects <https://participate.icann.org/mssi-projects>
Mobile: tel://1-712-770-4218*,,2731447 <//1-712-770-4218*,,2731447>485# Upon logging into Adobe Connect, a pop up window will provide you the option to Dial Out to your Phone. Enter your Phone Number* (Remember to change the Country Code if needed).
After joining the call, as a courtesy to others and the presenters, please MUTE your phone. This can be done by selecting *6 on your keypad. To UNMUTE select *6 again.
*Agenda *
0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min- CLO ) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min- SDB, CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25 -35 min SDB, FB)
- Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges.
Please see this Document <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a...> for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call)
4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB)
- - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not. - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO) August Dates: Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
*Cheryl Langdon-O **rr ... *(CLO)
about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr [image: Cheryl Langdon-Orr on about.me] <http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr>
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participants (3)
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Greg Shatan -
Rinalia Abdul Rahim -
Steve DelBianco