Hi, It is time for us to start our work. While waiting for the staff report, Jordan and I, started to assemble some Background noted that contain excerpts from the Accountability work that shows our mandated work items. This can be found, open for comment and suggested edits, at: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Whv88g92TjVL4n7TIN_hGuh5BC7uMzelHCPizoiN...> A pdf of the current state of that document is attached. Included in this Background draft is the following: ** *THOUGHTS RE PROCESS TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION* * * A first meeting to brainstorm perspectives and a work plan outline * Seems there are two key tasks, related to the two bullet points above in Para 15. * On the first bullet point, the group could do an online brainstorm for how this could look and then collectively wrangle our way to a first draft text * On the second bullet point, we could have a meeting where we get a presentation from ICANN on what they do re the second, and then reflect on that and decide what we’d like to see done / changed * Jordan and I, your co-rapporteurs for this effort are currently trying to figure out when we can schedule a first meeting, within the confines of the Staff assigned timeslots. Once we narrow it down a little we will probably initiate a doodle poll to find the best time. Current though is that: - we will pick one day of the week and rotate though the 3 timeslots: 0500, 1300, and 1900 UTC. - initially we are thinking of meeting every other week - we hope to do as much of the work online as possible We do plan for discussion of the schedule and timeline to be part of the first meeting, so nothing will be fixed in stone by scheduling the first meeting. --- I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic. Well I hope that is enough to get the thoughts flowing. Will get back to the list soon. avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Thank you very much for the update Avri, Jordan! Very eager to start work on this Work Track (even not knowing the difference with a Work Stream, or even a Work Group, but nevertheless). I am a little bit squeezed right now and until the end of the month (30 Aug) in the CCT Review, but please keep me posted as I want to participate fully. Best Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 9 Aug 2016, at 9:05, avri doria wrote:
Hi,
It is time for us to start our work.
While waiting for the staff report, Jordan and I, started to assemble some Background noted that contain excerpts from the Accountability work that shows our mandated work items.
This can be found, open for comment and suggested edits, at: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Whv88g92TjVL4n7TIN_hGuh5BC7uMzelHCPizoiN...> A pdf of the current state of that document is attached.
Included in this Background draft is the following:
**
*THOUGHTS RE PROCESS TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION*
*
*
A first meeting to brainstorm perspectives and a work plan outline
*
Seems there are two key tasks, related to the two bullet points above in Para 15.
*
On the first bullet point, the group could do an online brainstorm for how this could look and then collectively wrangle our way to a first draft text
*
On the second bullet point, we could have a meeting where we get a presentation from ICANN on what they do re the second, and then reflect on that and decide what we’d like to see done / changed
*
Jordan and I, your co-rapporteurs for this effort are currently trying to figure out when we can schedule a first meeting, within the confines of the Staff assigned timeslots. Once we narrow it down a little we will probably initiate a doodle poll to find the best time. Current though is that:
- we will pick one day of the week and rotate though the 3 timeslots: 0500, 1300, and 1900 UTC.
- initially we are thinking of meeting every other week
- we hope to do as much of the work online as possible
We do plan for discussion of the schedule and timeline to be part of the first meeting, so nothing will be fixed in stone by scheduling the first meeting.
---
I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic.
Well I hope that is enough to get the thoughts flowing. Will get back to the list soon.
avri
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Hello all. I look forward to this work. I was on the original CCWG team that worked on this subject matter and intend to stay fully involved. [Plus, I can't let Avri lead a group that I am not in ;) ] I have added a note in the google doc about adding the Dot Registry LLC v. ICANN Independent Review decision to our list of topics to discuss. (https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-dot-registry-final-declarati...) There is a discussion in there about ICANN staff's involvement in independent parties decisions, board processed and reconsideration processes, etc. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw -----Original Message----- From: ws2-staff_acct-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-staff_acct-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of avri doria Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:05 AM To: ws2-staff_acct@icann.org Subject: [Ws2-staff_acct] Getting started Hi, It is time for us to start our work. While waiting for the staff report, Jordan and I, started to assemble some Background noted that contain excerpts from the Accountability work that shows our mandated work items. This can be found, open for comment and suggested edits, at: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Whv88g92TjVL4n7TIN_hGuh5BC7uMzelHCPizoiN...> A pdf of the current state of that document is attached. Included in this Background draft is the following: ** *THOUGHTS RE PROCESS TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION* * * A first meeting to brainstorm perspectives and a work plan outline * Seems there are two key tasks, related to the two bullet points above in Para 15. * On the first bullet point, the group could do an online brainstorm for how this could look and then collectively wrangle our way to a first draft text * On the second bullet point, we could have a meeting where we get a presentation from ICANN on what they do re the second, and then reflect on that and decide what we’d like to see done / changed * Jordan and I, your co-rapporteurs for this effort are currently trying to figure out when we can schedule a first meeting, within the confines of the Staff assigned timeslots. Once we narrow it down a little we will probably initiate a doodle poll to find the best time. Current though is that: - we will pick one day of the week and rotate though the 3 timeslots: 0500, 1300, and 1900 UTC. - initially we are thinking of meeting every other week - we hope to do as much of the work online as possible We do plan for discussion of the schedule and timeline to be part of the first meeting, so nothing will be fixed in stone by scheduling the first meeting. --- I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic. Well I hope that is enough to get the thoughts flowing. Will get back to the list soon. avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Dear Jeff, Avri, Interesting Symbiosis…..wonder after how many PDPs the first symptoms start appearing? Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 9 Aug 2016, at 10:16, Jeff Neuman wrote:
Hello all. I look forward to this work. I was on the original CCWG team that worked on this subject matter and intend to stay fully involved. [Plus, I can't let Avri lead a group that I am not in ;) ]
I have added a note in the google doc about adding the Dot Registry LLC v. ICANN Independent Review decision to our list of topics to discuss. (https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-dot-registry-final-declarati...) There is a discussion in there about ICANN staff's involvement in independent parties decisions, board processed and reconsideration processes, etc.
Best regards,
Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600 Mclean, VA 22102, United States E: jeff.neuman@valideus.com or jeff.neuman@comlaude.com T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 @Jintlaw
-----Original Message----- From: ws2-staff_acct-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-staff_acct-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of avri doria Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:05 AM To: ws2-staff_acct@icann.org Subject: [Ws2-staff_acct] Getting started
Hi,
It is time for us to start our work.
While waiting for the staff report, Jordan and I, started to assemble some Background noted that contain excerpts from the Accountability work that shows our mandated work items.
This can be found, open for comment and suggested edits, at: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Whv88g92TjVL4n7TIN_hGuh5BC7uMzelHCPizoiN...> A pdf of the current state of that document is attached.
Included in this Background draft is the following:
**
*THOUGHTS RE PROCESS TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION*
*
*
A first meeting to brainstorm perspectives and a work plan outline
*
Seems there are two key tasks, related to the two bullet points above in Para 15.
*
On the first bullet point, the group could do an online brainstorm for how this could look and then collectively wrangle our way to a first draft text
*
On the second bullet point, we could have a meeting where we get a presentation from ICANN on what they do re the second, and then reflect on that and decide what we’d like to see done / changed
*
Jordan and I, your co-rapporteurs for this effort are currently trying to figure out when we can schedule a first meeting, within the confines of the Staff assigned timeslots. Once we narrow it down a little we will probably initiate a doodle poll to find the best time. Current though is that:
- we will pick one day of the week and rotate though the 3 timeslots: 0500, 1300, and 1900 UTC.
- initially we are thinking of meeting every other week
- we hope to do as much of the work online as possible
We do plan for discussion of the schedule and timeline to be part of the first meeting, so nothing will be fixed in stone by scheduling the first meeting.
---
I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic.
Well I hope that is enough to get the thoughts flowing. Will get back to the list soon.
avri
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Looking forward to participating in this group. I would hope that one focus will be ensuring that staff respects the bottom up process and does not take independent initiatives that have policy implications without at a minimum engaging in dialogue with the GNSO. Thanks Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VLawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey Sent from my iPad
On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:05 AM, avri doria <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
It is time for us to start our work.
While waiting for the staff report, Jordan and I, started to assemble some Background noted that contain excerpts from the Accountability work that shows our mandated work items.
This can be found, open for comment and suggested edits, at: <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Whv88g92TjVL4n7TIN_hGuh5BC7uMzelHCPizoiN...> A pdf of the current state of that document is attached.
Included in this Background draft is the following:
**
*THOUGHTS RE PROCESS TO KICK OFF DISCUSSION*
*
*
A first meeting to brainstorm perspectives and a work plan outline
*
Seems there are two key tasks, related to the two bullet points above in Para 15.
*
On the first bullet point, the group could do an online brainstorm for how this could look and then collectively wrangle our way to a first draft text
*
On the second bullet point, we could have a meeting where we get a presentation from ICANN on what they do re the second, and then reflect on that and decide what we’d like to see done / changed
*
Jordan and I, your co-rapporteurs for this effort are currently trying to figure out when we can schedule a first meeting, within the confines of the Staff assigned timeslots. Once we narrow it down a little we will probably initiate a doodle poll to find the best time. Current though is that:
- we will pick one day of the week and rotate though the 3 timeslots: 0500, 1300, and 1900 UTC.
- initially we are thinking of meeting every other week
- we hope to do as much of the work online as possible
We do plan for discussion of the schedule and timeline to be part of the first meeting, so nothing will be fixed in stone by scheduling the first meeting.
---
I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic.
Well I hope that is enough to get the thoughts flowing. Will get back to the list soon.
avri
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Hi, An additional thought on this. On 09-Aug-16 11:05, avri doria wrote:
I have one concern about our group. Looking at the Participant & Observer lists I do not see many staff members participating. I think it important that there be some staff members in this group, including some who are not part of legal staff or of senior management. I think talking about staff accountability without staff representation may be problematic. Of course there would need to provisions allowing for them to participate freely without worry that what they say may adversely affect their job prospects. I do not know if this concern is reasonable and whether others in the group share the concern. So I would be interested is seeing some comments on this topic.
I have started a section in the drive doc on this issue. As people can comment anonymously if they wish (by logging out of their gmail account before typing) I would welcome any comments staff members might have on this topic. I would also be happy to receive private email from which I would extract anonymized comments. And I would of course be thrilled to see staff comments that are attributable if that is possible in the current climate among ICANN staff. avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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avri doria -
avri doria -
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. -
Jeff Neuman -
Phil Corwin