On 07/29/2015 11:18 PM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:> Dear All
I do not understand what legally means the abstention of non participation . The voting results is always counted based on those who participate in voting . Those who do not participate SHALL NOT be counted as Abstention.
Dear Kavouss Just as a little light relief from all the heavy lifting going on at ridiculously short notices . . I just want to mention, in passing that requiring someone to "vote their abstention" is one of those cross-cultural issues that can cause immense (though usually harmless and amusing) misunderstandings. Just like "to table an item". (Anyone who was at the first ever meeting of what became the GNSO/ccNSO will remember this). In accepted electoral practice, at least in the Commonwealth, it is NEVER required to participate in voting to feature as an abstention. (i.e. to "positively abstain"). The definition of "abstention" is precisely "one who abstains from voting". Someone who abstains from voting is everyone who (otherwise enfranchised in the voting procedure) chooses not to, or fails to participate in the voting. Thus there is a mathematical sum which should not EVER be proved false (but see later). That is A + N + B = E where A = ayes, N = noes, B = abstentions, and E = the electorate "Counting the abstentions" (as I see regularly happen) is actually a nullity, since abstentions are DEFINED as those left over from E after counting A and B. And yes, I have been in many ICANN and CENTR meetings where this is often done, and where, apparently, E - A - N - B > 0 which is a complete absurdity (i.e. it seems some people voted neither aye, nor noe, and neither did they abstain). It IS fairly usual in small committee meetings to call for the three categories in turn simply to help with record keeping, but the chairman really needs to be awake that the number of abstentions counted is actually the correct number, as it is entirely deterministic, and woe-betide him or her if they miscount, as the Secretary will become irritated. With all good wishes N PS: In public elections we also have a long tradition of intentionally spoiling a ballot paper. This is NOT an abstention, since the (often amusing) voter did participate, but their poll was simply invalid. See http://i.imgur.com/3GwiY.jpg
This is alphabet of voting and the issue must be mentioned in each of voting procedure as follows: X% of those participating in voting and Vote. Last night I verified more than 20 convention, constitution,charter , agreement ,covenant and ..... All do not count non voters as abstention Regards Kavouss