What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft?
In reviewing the Third Draft, the "Principles" section of the Second Draft seems to have disappeared entirely. This section contained a number of important parts of our proposal, and is an integral part of the overall proposal. I anticipate a response that these recommendations have somehow been parceled out and absorbed into other sections of the Third Draft, but even a spot-check show that this is clearly not the case. It appears that our quest for readability has resulted in significant and difficult to find changes to the substance of our proposals. This undermines the proposal as a whole and makes the job of reviewing this draft much harder. I am deeply concerned. Greg
Dear Greg, I noticed your comment, and your concern and compared versions. It seems to me that the Principles section of the 2nd draft is appropriately captured in Recommendation #5 in the summary, as well as in annex 5. Some is also captured in the Human rights section of course. Could you elaborate about the specific elements of the 2nd report that you are missing ? Best Mathieu De : accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Greg Shatan Envoyé : lundi 23 novembre 2015 16:33 À : accountability-cross-community@icann.org Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? In reviewing the Third Draft, the "Principles" section of the Second Draft seems to have disappeared entirely. This section contained a number of important parts of our proposal, and is an integral part of the overall proposal. I anticipate a response that these recommendations have somehow been parceled out and absorbed into other sections of the Third Draft, but even a spot-check show that this is clearly not the case. It appears that our quest for readability has resulted in significant and difficult to find changes to the substance of our proposals. This undermines the proposal as a whole and makes the job of reviewing this draft much harder. I am deeply concerned. Greg
One principle that Greg and I brought up regards Advisory Committee formal advice: 1. Advice should be clear as to whether the advice is supporting or opposing a proposed policy or action. 2. Advice should include a rationale for the decision This could go in the Bylaws Article XI, section 1, applying to all Advisory Committees. From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr>> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? Dear Greg, I noticed your comment, and your concern and compared versions. It seems to me that the Principles section of the 2nd draft is appropriately captured in Recommendation #5 in the summary, as well as in annex 5. Some is also captured in the Human rights section of course. Could you elaborate about the specific elements of the 2nd report that you are missing ? Best Mathieu De : accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Greg Shatan Envoyé : lundi 23 novembre 2015 16:33 À : accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? In reviewing the Third Draft, the "Principles" section of the Second Draft seems to have disappeared entirely. This section contained a number of important parts of our proposal, and is an integral part of the overall proposal. I anticipate a response that these recommendations have somehow been parceled out and absorbed into other sections of the Third Draft, but even a spot-check show that this is clearly not the case. It appears that our quest for readability has resulted in significant and difficult to find changes to the substance of our proposals. This undermines the proposal as a whole and makes the job of reviewing this draft much harder. I am deeply concerned. Greg
Thank you Steve, I agree these principles need to be reflected. De : Steve DelBianco [mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org] Envoyé : mardi 24 novembre 2015 15:34 À : Mathieu Weill; Greg Shatan; accountability-cross-community@icann.org Objet : Re: [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? One principle that Greg and I brought up regards Advisory Committee formal advice: 1. Advice should be clear as to whether the advice is supporting or opposing a proposed policy or action. 2. Advice should include a rationale for the decision This could go in the Bylaws Article XI, section 1, applying to all Advisory Committees. From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>, "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? Dear Greg, I noticed your comment, and your concern and compared versions. It seems to me that the Principles section of the 2nd draft is appropriately captured in Recommendation #5 in the summary, as well as in annex 5. Some is also captured in the Human rights section of course. Could you elaborate about the specific elements of the 2nd report that you are missing ? Best Mathieu De : accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] De la part de Greg Shatan Envoyé : lundi 23 novembre 2015 16:33 À : accountability-cross-community@icann.org Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] What happened to the "Principles" section of the Second Draft? In reviewing the Third Draft, the "Principles" section of the Second Draft seems to have disappeared entirely. This section contained a number of important parts of our proposal, and is an integral part of the overall proposal. I anticipate a response that these recommendations have somehow been parceled out and absorbed into other sections of the Third Draft, but even a spot-check show that this is clearly not the case. It appears that our quest for readability has resulted in significant and difficult to find changes to the substance of our proposals. This undermines the proposal as a whole and makes the job of reviewing this draft much harder. I am deeply concerned. Greg
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