Fwd: [client com] Summary Slides
Dear all, I am forwarding this information from the CWG client committee. It might be useful for our work. Sorry for any cross-posting Best regards, León
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Dear Members of the Client Committee,
Attached for your preliminary review please find a draft set of slides that summarize the information we provided in response to the questions in the scoping document. We have also included information that responds to questions posed more recently about the integrated/hybrid model These slides could provide a framework for discussion in Istanbul of the legal issues implicated by the various models under consideration. Please note the following:
• These slides summarize the information provided in response to CWG’s first set of questions, but with the information reordered along the lines of the proposals. • As with our preliminary responses, these slides summarize technical legal information in a generalized form in keeping with the general level of the questions posed. This information is provided for the benefit of the CWG, to help facilitate its consideration of the transition proposals that have been described to us, and should not be relied upon by any other persons or for any other purpose.
Please let us know if you would like any revisions regarding presentation style. Also, we note that we did not receive any comments on the underlying document.
I look forward to seeing you in Istanbul. Kind regards.
Holly
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Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>
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Dear Co-Chairs, Can I please have this as PDF? And, why must I ask EVERY time. And, why has my REPEATED inquiry into the foundation of ICCAN's claim on the root, not been responded to? Please provide me with an answer on the record, either by email to the list, or in person during the recorded session of the F2F. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Mar 24, 2015, at 06:35, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> wrote:
Dear all,
I am forwarding this information from the CWG client committee.
It might be useful for our work.
Sorry for any cross-posting
Best regards,
León
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De: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com> Para: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk>, Maarten Simon <maarten.simon@sidn.nl>, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> Fecha: 24 de marzo de 2015 1:04:05 GMT+2 Cc: "Clark, Michael A." <mclark@sidley.com>, Client <cwg-client@icann.org>, "Fuller, Miles" <wfuller@sidley.com>, "Hilton, Tyler" <thilton@sidley.com> Asunto: [client com] Summary Slides
Dear Members of the Client Committee,
Attached for your preliminary review please find a draft set of slides that summarize the information we provided in response to the questions in the scoping document. We have also included information that responds to questions posed more recently about the integrated/hybrid model These slides could provide a framework for discussion in Istanbul of the legal issues implicated by the various models under consideration. Please note the following:
• These slides summarize the information provided in response to CWG’s first set of questions, but with the information reordered along the lines of the proposals. • As with our preliminary responses, these slides summarize technical legal information in a generalized form in keeping with the general level of the questions posed. This information is provided for the benefit of the CWG, to help facilitate its consideration of the transition proposals that have been described to us, and should not be relied upon by any other persons or for any other purpose.
Please let us know if you would like any revisions regarding presentation style. Also, we note that we did not receive any comments on the underlying document.
I look forward to seeing you in Istanbul. Kind regards.
Holly
HOLLY GREGORY Partner
Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com
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An extended analysis of the source of the Department of Commerce’s claim to the root (i.e. not ICANN’s) may be found here: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO/OGC-00-33R -- you will note that the question that the GAO reserves is not the source of the Commerce claim (about which it is pretty clear) but about whether or not Commerce has authority under US law to transfer that control to ICANN ….. I am told that the Department of Commerce General Counsel has drafted an opinion saying that the transfer may occur. But AFIK that opinion has not been publicly released. Regards Paul Paul Rosenzweig <mailto:paul.rosenzweigesq@redbranchconsulting.com> paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com O: +1 (202) 547-0660 M: +1 (202) 329-9650 VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066 <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article...> Link to my PGP Key <http://www.rsaconference.com/events/us15/register?utm_source=inhouse&utm_med...> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el@lisse.na] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:37 AM To: CCWG Accountability Cc: directors@omadhina.net Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: [client com] Summary Slides Dear Co-Chairs, Can I please have this as PDF? And, why must I ask EVERY time. And, why has my REPEATED inquiry into the foundation of ICCAN's claim on the root, not been responded to? Please provide me with an answer on the record, either by email to the list, or in person during the recorded session of the F2F. el -- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini On Mar 24, 2015, at 06:35, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> > wrote: Dear all, I am forwarding this information from the CWG client committee. It might be useful for our work. Sorry for any cross-posting Best regards, León Inicio del mensaje reenviado: De: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> > Para: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> >, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk <mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk> >, Maarten Simon <maarten.simon@sidn.nl <mailto:maarten.simon@sidn.nl> >, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com> > Fecha: 24 de marzo de 2015 1:04:05 GMT+2 Cc: "Clark, Michael A." <mclark@sidley.com <mailto:mclark@sidley.com> >, Client <cwg-client@icann.org <mailto:cwg-client@icann.org> >, "Fuller, Miles" <wfuller@sidley.com <mailto:wfuller@sidley.com> >, "Hilton, Tyler" <thilton@sidley.com <mailto:thilton@sidley.com> > Asunto: [client com] Summary Slides Dear Members of the Client Committee, Attached for your preliminary review please find a draft set of slides that summarize the information we provided in response to the questions in the scoping document. We have also included information that responds to questions posed more recently about the integrated/hybrid model These slides could provide a framework for discussion in Istanbul of the legal issues implicated by the various models under consideration. Please note the following: • These slides summarize the information provided in response to CWG’s first set of questions, but with the information reordered along the lines of the proposals. • As with our preliminary responses, these slides summarize technical legal information in a generalized form in keeping with the general level of the questions posed. This information is provided for the benefit of the CWG, to help facilitate its consideration of the transition proposals that have been described to us, and should not be relied upon by any other persons or for any other purpose. Please let us know if you would like any revisions regarding presentation style. Also, we note that we did not receive any comments on the underlying document. I look forward to seeing you in Istanbul. Kind regards. Holly HOLLY GREGORY Partner Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com> holly.gregory@sidley.com **************************************************************************************************** This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************************************** <CWG Legal Scoping Document.pptx> _______________________________________________ Cwg-client mailing list <mailto:Cwg-client@icann.org> Cwg-client@icann.org <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-client> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-client _______________________________________________ Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
Thanks for this information Paul. Eberhard, while this might not exhaustively address the question you raised, we will formulate an ex-profeso question to the external legal advisors to have an answer on their side. Just to double check whether my understanding is accurate I would like you to confirme whether the right question to ask is: Which are the grounds for ICANN to claim control over the root? Is that correct? Best regards, León
El 24/03/2015, a las 9:25, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com> escribió:
An extended analysis of the source of the Department of Commerce’s claim to the root (i.e. not ICANN’s) may be found here: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO/OGC-00-33R <http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO/OGC-00-33R> -- you will note that the question that the GAO reserves is not the source of the Commerce claim (about which it is pretty clear) but about whether or not Commerce has authority under US law to transfer that control to ICANN ….. I am told that the Department of Commerce General Counsel has drafted an opinion saying that the transfer may occur. But AFIK that opinion has not been publicly released.
Regards Paul
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From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse [mailto:el@lisse.na] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:37 AM To: CCWG Accountability Cc: directors@omadhina.net Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: [client com] Summary Slides
Dear Co-Chairs,
Can I please have this as PDF?
And, why must I ask EVERY time.
And, why has my REPEATED inquiry into the foundation of ICCAN's claim on the root, not been responded to?
Please provide me with an answer on the record, either by email to the list, or in person during the recorded session of the F2F.
el
-- Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
On Mar 24, 2015, at 06:35, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> wrote:
Dear all,
I am forwarding this information from the CWG client committee.
It might be useful for our work.
Sorry for any cross-posting
Best regards,
León
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De: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>> Para: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info>>, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk <mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk>>, Maarten Simon <maarten.simon@sidn.nl <mailto:maarten.simon@sidn.nl>>, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>> Fecha: 24 de marzo de 2015 1:04:05 GMT+2 Cc: "Clark, Michael A." <mclark@sidley.com <mailto:mclark@sidley.com>>, Client <cwg-client@icann.org <mailto:cwg-client@icann.org>>, "Fuller, Miles" <wfuller@sidley.com <mailto:wfuller@sidley.com>>, "Hilton, Tyler" <thilton@sidley.com <mailto:thilton@sidley.com>> Asunto: [client com] Summary Slides
Dear Members of the Client Committee,
Attached for your preliminary review please find a draft set of slides that summarize the information we provided in response to the questions in the scoping document. We have also included information that responds to questions posed more recently about the integrated/hybrid model These slides could provide a framework for discussion in Istanbul of the legal issues implicated by the various models under consideration. Please note the following:
• These slides summarize the information provided in response to CWG’s first set of questions, but with the information reordered along the lines of the proposals. • As with our preliminary responses, these slides summarize technical legal information in a generalized form in keeping with the general level of the questions posed. This information is provided for the benefit of the CWG, to help facilitate its consideration of the transition proposals that have been described to us, and should not be relied upon by any other persons or for any other purpose.
Please let us know if you would like any revisions regarding presentation style. Also, we note that we did not receive any comments on the underlying document.
I look forward to seeing you in Istanbul. Kind regards.
Holly
HOLLY GREGORY Partner
Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com <mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Leon, Indeed the question is or rather the questions are: Where does the statutory or other legal authority currently lie for the United States' control over the root, and in particularly over ccTLD managers? Once the US Government abandons its current role (whatever it is), what statutory or other legal authority will ICANN have over the root, and in particular over ccTLD managers? greetings, el On 2015-03-24 10:25 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote: [...]
Eberhard, while this might not exhaustively address the question you raised, we will formulate an ex-profeso question to the external legal advisors to have an answer on their side.
Just to double check whether my understanding is accurate I would like you to confirme whether the right question to ask is: Which are the grounds for ICANN to claim control over the root?
Is that correct?
Best regards,
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul, this document is very very interesting. And should be read by everybody within the CCWG! el On 2015-03-24 09:25 , Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
An extended analysis of the source of the Department of Commerce’s claim to the root (i.e. not ICANN’s) may be found here: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO/OGC-00-33R -- you will note that the question that the GAO reserves is not the source of the Commerce claim (about which it is pretty clear) but about whether or not Commerce has authority under US law to transfer that control to ICANN ….. I am told that the Department of Commerce General Counsel has drafted an opinion saying that the transfer may occur. But AFIK that opinion has not been publicly released.
Regards
Paul [...] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/
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Hi Everyone, PDF version of the Sidley Austin, first response to legal scoping document attached. Best, Adam From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 6:35 AM To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: [client com] Summary Slides Dear all, I am forwarding this information from the CWG client committee. It might be useful for our work. Sorry for any cross-posting Best regards, León
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De: "Gregory, Holly" <holly.gregory@sidley.com> Para: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info>, Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr@difo.dk>, Maarten Simon <maarten.simon@sidn.nl>, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com> Fecha: 24 de marzo de 2015 1:04:05 GMT+2 Cc: "Clark, Michael A." <mclark@sidley.com>, Client <cwg-client@icann.org>, "Fuller, Miles" <wfuller@sidley.com>, "Hilton, Tyler" <thilton@sidley.com> Asunto: [client com] Summary Slides
Dear Members of the Client Committee,
Attached for your preliminary review please find a draft set of slides that summarize the information we provided in response to the questions in the scoping document. We have also included information that responds to questions posed more recently about the integrated/hybrid model These slides could provide a framework for discussion in Istanbul of the legal issues implicated by the various models under consideration. Please note the following:
These slides summarize the information provided in response to CWG¹s first set of questions, but with the information reordered along the lines of the proposals. As with our preliminary responses, these slides summarize technical legal information in a generalized form in keeping with the general level of the questions posed. This information is provided for the benefit of the CWG, to help facilitate its consideration of the transition proposals that have been described to us, and should not be relied upon by any other persons or for any other purpose.
Please let us know if you would like any revisions regarding presentation style. Also, we note that we did not receive any comments on the underlying document.
I look forward to seeing you in Istanbul. Kind regards.
Holly
HOLLY GREGORY Partner
Sidley Austin LLP +1.212.839.5853 holly.gregory@sidley.com
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