ICANN CROP FY19 ready for use by ICANN community
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach activities at **ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. " Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post :
https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region. Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting). An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker. Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
Hi Dev In Benedetta’s email and discussion in her talk with us she said that if there is no icann meeting in your region you can use a trip to your RIR. After you use that trip that we can use the other 2 trips for something we have identified in our outreach strategy, In our talk with her we mentioned that at large is not allowed to attend the GDD meetings. In an earlier email to her I argued for us to be able to attend our RIR meetings as these are in line with icann policy, she stated that they were in the process of writing the guidelines. So was glad to see these changes were adopted. Benedetta said had no idea about the GDD so sorry she used it as an example. I have a copy of her slides Best Judith Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting).
An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker.
Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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What it does mean unfortunately is that even EURALO wouldn't be able to use CROP FY19 for IGF 2018 in Paris. Similarly, a RALO can't use it to attend any national or sub regional IGFs. Which would seem to be *the* best opportunities for outreach. In the introduction about CROP, this has been said : "Community leaders have outlined several key benefits that could be achieved through a programmed approach to global outreach: 1) Building local/regional awareness and recruitment of new community members; 2) More effectively engaging with current members and/or "reactivating” previously engaged ICANN community members; and 3) Communicating ICANN’s mission and objectives to new audiences. I can see (2) becoming the core focus of CROP from now on as I don't see how (1) and (3) can be fulfilled by attending ICANN sponsored events since the audience at such events aren't new to ICANN (and even for newcomers for ICANN F2F meetings, there are processes/workflows to build awareness already (Fellowship, Nextgen) or which can be done with travellers (ALAC, regional leaders) already there at such events. I suppose a RIR meeting might be a potential for outreach, but (and I would appreciate comments from those that have attended RIR meetings) aren't the majority of such attendees either already aware of ICANN or ineligible to join At-Large ? The only ICANN sponsored events that could be for outreach are events created by ICANN that are part of some of the regional strategic plans like roadshow events and for launch of projects like the Virtual DNS Entrepreneurship Center that was done for the Caribbean. The O&E should start cataloging such possible CROP worthwhile events. Dev Anand Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:04 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Dev In Benedetta’s email and discussion in her talk with us she said that if there is no icann meeting in your region you can use a trip to your RIR. After you use that trip that we can use the other 2 trips for something we have identified in our outreach strategy,
In our talk with her we mentioned that at large is not allowed to attend the GDD meetings. In an earlier email to her I argued for us to be able to attend our RIR meetings as these are in line with icann policy, she stated that they were in the process of writing the guidelines. So was glad to see these changes were adopted. Benedetta said had no idea about the GDD so sorry she used it as an example.
I have a copy of her slides
Best Judith
Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting).
An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker.
Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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Hi Benedetta said that after we use 1 slot for a GSE supported event we can use the other 2 slots for whatever programs were approved in our RALO outreach and GSE regional plans. They want us to work with GSE and GSE approves the outreach activity then we are good Cheers Judith Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
What it does mean unfortunately is that even EURALO wouldn't be able to use CROP FY19 for IGF 2018 in Paris. Similarly, a RALO can't use it to attend any national or sub regional IGFs. Which would seem to be *the* best opportunities for outreach.
In the introduction about CROP, this has been said :
"Community leaders have outlined several key benefits that could be achieved through a programmed approach to global outreach:
1) Building local/regional awareness and recruitment of new community members; 2) More effectively engaging with current members and/or "reactivating” previously engaged ICANN community members; and 3) Communicating ICANN’s mission and objectives to new audiences.
I can see (2) becoming the core focus of CROP from now on as I don't see how (1) and (3) can be fulfilled by attending ICANN sponsored events since the audience at such events aren't new to ICANN (and even for newcomers for ICANN F2F meetings, there are processes/workflows to build awareness already (Fellowship, Nextgen) or which can be done with travellers (ALAC, regional leaders) already there at such events.
I suppose a RIR meeting might be a potential for outreach, but (and I would appreciate comments from those that have attended RIR meetings) aren't the majority of such attendees either already aware of ICANN or ineligible to join At-Large ?
The only ICANN sponsored events that could be for outreach are events created by ICANN that are part of some of the regional strategic plans like roadshow events and for launch of projects like the Virtual DNS Entrepreneurship Center that was done for the Caribbean. The O&E should start cataloging such possible CROP worthwhile events.
Dev Anand
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:04 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Dev In Benedetta’s email and discussion in her talk with us she said that if there is no icann meeting in your region you can use a trip to your RIR. After you use that trip that we can use the other 2 trips for something we have identified in our outreach strategy,
In our talk with her we mentioned that at large is not allowed to attend the GDD meetings. In an earlier email to her I argued for us to be able to attend our RIR meetings as these are in line with icann policy, she stated that they were in the process of writing the guidelines. So was glad to see these changes were adopted. Benedetta said had no idea about the GDD so sorry she used it as an example.
I have a copy of her slides
Best Judith
Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting).
An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker.
Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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The wording on the CROP wiki does suggest however if that a "pure" outreach activity in a RALO outreach and GSE regional plan would not be supported ; the key phrase being " (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), ***AND*** (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region." Circulating back to the IGF ; if EURALO can propose a direct activity that would be done by CROP travellers at the IGF that is related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (eg presenting on something like new gTLDs , protecting geographic names in the DNS or how ICANN's WHOIS can be compliant with GDPR), maybe that could get support by GSE to approve such a proposal. I'm sure an upcoming call with CROP staff and with regional GSEs would be helpful in clarifying all of this. Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:08 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Benedetta said that after we use 1 slot for a GSE supported event we can use the other 2 slots for whatever programs were approved in our RALO outreach and GSE regional plans.
They want us to work with GSE and GSE approves the outreach activity then we are good
Cheers Judith
Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
What it does mean unfortunately is that even EURALO wouldn't be able to use CROP FY19 for IGF 2018 in Paris. Similarly, a RALO can't use it to attend any national or sub regional IGFs. Which would seem to be *the* best opportunities for outreach.
In the introduction about CROP, this has been said :
"Community leaders have outlined several key benefits that could be achieved through a programmed approach to global outreach:
1) Building local/regional awareness and recruitment of new community members; 2) More effectively engaging with current members and/or "reactivating” previously engaged ICANN community members; and 3) Communicating ICANN’s mission and objectives to new audiences.
I can see (2) becoming the core focus of CROP from now on as I don't see how (1) and (3) can be fulfilled by attending ICANN sponsored events since the audience at such events aren't new to ICANN (and even for newcomers for ICANN F2F meetings, there are processes/workflows to build awareness already (Fellowship, Nextgen) or which can be done with travellers (ALAC, regional leaders) already there at such events.
I suppose a RIR meeting might be a potential for outreach, but (and I would appreciate comments from those that have attended RIR meetings) aren't the majority of such attendees either already aware of ICANN or ineligible to join At-Large ?
The only ICANN sponsored events that could be for outreach are events created by ICANN that are part of some of the regional strategic plans like roadshow events and for launch of projects like the Virtual DNS Entrepreneurship Center that was done for the Caribbean. The O&E should start cataloging such possible CROP worthwhile events.
Dev Anand
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:04 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Dev In Benedetta’s email and discussion in her talk with us she said that if there is no icann meeting in your region you can use a trip to your RIR. After you use that trip that we can use the other 2 trips for something we have identified in our outreach strategy,
In our talk with her we mentioned that at large is not allowed to attend the GDD meetings. In an earlier email to her I argued for us to be able to attend our RIR meetings as these are in line with icann policy, she stated that they were in the process of writing the guidelines. So was glad to see these changes were adopted. Benedetta said had no idea about the GDD so sorry she used it as an example.
I have a copy of her slides
Best Judith
Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting).
An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker.
Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-cro... and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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There was a fella named Willie Sutton, a bank robber. He was on trial for bank robbery when the smug prosecutor asked Willie why he robbed banks. Willie, nonplussed, responded "That's where the money is!" Somebody should explain to ICANN Org that outreach works best when you go where the crowd with the best targets is! CAS On Tue, 3 Jul 2018, 8:55 pm Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
What it does mean unfortunately is that even EURALO wouldn't be able to use CROP FY19 for IGF 2018 in Paris. Similarly, a RALO can't use it to attend any national or sub regional IGFs. Which would seem to be *the* best opportunities for outreach.
In the introduction about CROP, this has been said :
"Community leaders have outlined several key benefits that could be achieved through a programmed approach to global outreach:
1) Building local/regional awareness and recruitment of new community members; 2) More effectively engaging with current members and/or "reactivating” previously engaged ICANN community members; and 3) Communicating ICANN’s mission and objectives to new audiences.
I can see (2) becoming the core focus of CROP from now on as I don't see how (1) and (3) can be fulfilled by attending ICANN sponsored events since the audience at such events aren't new to ICANN (and even for newcomers for ICANN F2F meetings, there are processes/workflows to build awareness already (Fellowship, Nextgen) or which can be done with travellers (ALAC, regional leaders) already there at such events.
I suppose a RIR meeting might be a potential for outreach, but (and I would appreciate comments from those that have attended RIR meetings) aren't the majority of such attendees either already aware of ICANN or ineligible to join At-Large ?
The only ICANN sponsored events that could be for outreach are events created by ICANN that are part of some of the regional strategic plans like roadshow events and for launch of projects like the Virtual DNS Entrepreneurship Center that was done for the Caribbean. The O&E should start cataloging such possible CROP worthwhile events.
Dev Anand
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:04 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Dev In Benedetta’s email and discussion in her talk with us she said that if
there is no icann meeting in your region you can use a trip to your RIR. After you use that trip that we can use the other 2 trips for something we have identified in our outreach strategy,
In our talk with her we mentioned that at large is not allowed to attend
the GDD meetings. In an earlier email to her I argued for us to be able to attend our RIR meetings as these are in line with icann policy, she stated that they were in the process of writing the guidelines. So was glad to see these changes were adopted. Benedetta said had no idea about the GDD so sorry she used it as an example.
I have a copy of her slides
Best Judith
Sent from my iPhone Judith@jhellerstein.com Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
On Jul 3, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com>
wrote:
No. Each RALO is allocated up to three (3) individual regional trips, to be utilized for the following events occurring in that respective RALO’s region in a financial year (FY), and in accordance with the goals, strategies, and expected activities and outcomes detailed in each RALO’s Outreach Strategic Plan: (a) an ICANN Public Meeting; or (b) an official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization (e.g. the GDD Summit); or (c) if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Where a RALO has used at least one (1) trip to an ICANN Public Meeting or official ICANN-organized meeting occurring in its region, it may use its remaining allocation(s) for a meeting occurring in its region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting).
An “official meeting organized by the ICANN Organization” means a meeting where the programming, logistics and other arrangements are solely or primarily the responsibility of the ICANN Organization. By way of example, this will include the GDD Summit but not any other conference or event where ICANN’s involvement is in the form of minor funding or sponsorship in kind (e.g. providing small gifts for inclusion in conference bags or permitting the ICANN logo to be used on a brochure), sending delegates (whether staff or community members funded via other means), or is as an invited speaker.
Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the
five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
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No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings. However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). " Does that mean *only after* a RALO has used one of its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity? Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This is ridiculous. On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency ( BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach activities at **ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional- outreach-program-crop-ready-for-use-by-eligible-icann-communities and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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I recall arguing the merits of extra slots of the ICANN meetings and now its happened. Never wish for something , it might happen g Glenn McKnight NARALO Secretariat mcknight.glenn@gmail.com http://toronto.ieee.ca/ IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair glenn.mcknight@ieee.org skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight 289-830 6259 . On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:42 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings.
However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). "
Does that mean *only after* a RALO has used one of its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity?
Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This is ridiculous.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan < bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach activities at **ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
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My interpretation, Maureen : The regional outreach plan (which still has to be developed by the RALO before any CROP proposals can be filed) needs to identify and allocate at least (1) trip to an ICANN meeting (or ICANN organised meeting). Once that has been done, then the remaining two trip allocations can be assigned to other meetings that are directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). So it wouldn't matter if the other meetings are before the ICANN meetings within FY19, it just means that the RALO has to commit upfront that a trip (or two) will be allocated to a ICANN organised meeting(s). Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 8:41 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings.
However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). "
Does that mean only after a RALO has used one of its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity?
Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This is ridiculous.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used mainly for outreach activities at ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN org. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dear Maureen, the ALAC had a session with CROP staff. Several questions were asked. Several answers were given, but I do not recall that we were given responses to the very argument that you make below. During the meeting I also asked what all of this "ICANN support" meant for a meeting, as we the end users are rarely ever told in advance that ICANN is supporting an initiative or other. Plus I made the point that the GSE budget is also being slashed, so it is likely that GSE will support less events than it currently is. How do we get responses to this? What is the process to ask GSE what it supports? To your question why there is no SO/AC representative in these decisions, the answer is simple: these programs are staff led. Kindest regards, Olivier On 04/07/2018 02:41, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings.
However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). "
Does that mean *_only after_* a RALO has used one of its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity?
Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This is ridiculous.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan <bartlett.morgan@gmail.com <mailto:bartlett.morgan@gmail.com>> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach activities at **ICANN Public Meetings inthe relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
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Thanks for raising these issues. We have brought our concerns to the attention of our GSE rep for the APRALO region and the APRALO leadership team is having a skype meeting with Jia Rong tomorrow evening my time, to discuss the FY19 issue. Unfortunately Jia Rong was not in Panama so he had not had a formal notification of the announcement before we told him! I will raise the issues you have both raised to get some formal responses. Fortunately, we work in with our GSE team before we start planning our regional strategic plan, so that Jia Rong is very much aware of how we proposed to use our CROP allocations as well as how we propose to attend other regional events using other sponsors. Jia Rong is the senior GSE for our region. We also have Save who is the Oceania GSE rep but he doesn't have any budget other than to get himself to regional events. He will be attending the regional event that we will not be funded to attend because their decision about CROP was announced on the last day of the required 6 weeks deadline - even without the week of the GSE approval period that they are now expecting. We will no doubt hear about what cuts have been made in Jia Rongs budget as well, so that all we can do is to coordinate something together that is realistic as well as hopefully fair to us as well as to ICANN... although we are coming a very poor second in this situation. M On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Hi Maureen,
I recall Benedetta stating and it is written in the Blog post and the Guidelines
if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.
Benedetta Stressed that if there was not an ICANN meeting in our region we can use our CROP slots for a meeting that is in our Outreach Plan and that was approved by the GSE. The goal she said was to work with the GSE. GSE will likely be continuing to support regional and national IGFs. Chris Mondini has given money to the IGF USA.
Her time in our meeting was far too short. She did stress to me that she understands that their may not be a meeting but that is why they have given a third option, to have a meeting is in our outreach plans and that is supported/approved by our GSE. She was stating that there is some flexibility and that if a trip is in our outreach plans and is approved by GSE it would be allowed.
Olivier-- We need to ask the GSE for their outreach plans and find out from them what they will be supporting this year. If we had known this earlier we could have used a slot for the IGF USA since GSE is supporting it and it is in their outreach plan. We need to press our GSE people to show us their plans and discuss what programs they have supported in the past and will likely support in the future
Maureen--I think when you are Chair you can make outreach more of an effort and push to get some one on that committee. You can ask for a rep from At-Large and gNSO to be included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. I do agree is ridiculous they seem to only hear from certain people, for example they had no idea that the At Large and NCSG are not allowed to attend the GDD or similar summits
Judith
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On 7/4/2018 1:01 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Maureen,
the ALAC had a session with CROP staff. Several questions were asked. Several answers were given, but I do not recall that we were given responses to the very argument that you make below. During the meeting I also asked what all of this "ICANN support" meant for a meeting, as we the end users are rarely ever told in advance that ICANN is supporting an initiative or other. Plus I made the point that the GSE budget is also being slashed, so it is likely that GSE will support less events than it currently is. How do we get responses to this? What is the process to ask GSE what it supports?
To your question why there is no SO/AC representative in these decisions, the answer is simple: these programs are staff led. Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 04/07/2018 02:41, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
No typo... CROP has now done a complete about turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings.
However, "if a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR meetings). "
Does that mean *only after* a RALO has used one of its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN meeting opportunity?
Why isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This is ridiculous.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Bartlett Morgan < bartlett.morgan@gmail.com> wrote:
" The new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) – Business Constituency (BC), Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC), Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC), and Not-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines, these allocations are to be used *mainly for outreach activities at **ICANN Public Meetings in the relevant region or official regional meetings organized by the ICANN** org*. "
Typo? -- Kind regards, Bartlett D. Morgan
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the blog post : https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outr each-program-crop-ready-for-use-by-eligible-icann-communities and the CROP FY19 wiki at https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ _______________________________________________ Alac-sc-outreach mailing list Alac-sc-outreach@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
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Dev Anand Teelucksingh -
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Judith Hellerstein -
Maureen Hilyard -
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond