To me, the issue is simple. Either each candidate can vote (presumely for themselves) or neither can vote for themselves. Since ALAC rules do not allow ALAC members to vote for themselves, then each of them (regardless of how they are on the ALAC) finds another ALAC member to vote for them. Holly On 11 Feb 2017, at 6:00 am, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Hello,
we can keep it even brief and simple: It's not the question here how the ALAC members have been selected (RALOs or NomCom). The point is that an ALAC member who is a candidate in this voting is supposed to be prejudiced and cannot vote for him/herself. We needed to find replacement electors when a EURALO candidate ended up on the final slate. And the "replacement" is restricted to this voting only.
Best, Wolf
Judith Hellerstein wrote Fri, 10 Feb 2017 13:07:
Hi Carlton,
We went through this in NARALO and this is how it was explained to us. The At large person for the ICANN Board is elected by the 15 members of ALAC + the vote from each of the 5 RALOS. Since both Alan and Leon are on the ALAC, the rules as was told to me state that since the electors are not allowed to vote for themselves, they have to give their ALAC vote to another person In our case, Alan was elected by the RALOS but in :LACRALO Leon was apparently elected by NomCom. I see your point there, it is different, and I see how you can think we cannot replace a nomcomm elected person, This may be true, but then we are in conflict with the At Large rules of procedure. Since we cannon change our rules of procedure we need to go thru the path designated by it and that path is that both Alan and Leon need to find some one to take their place and vote for the At large person on the board.
I hope that is clear. We can look at fixing up the rules and procedure for the next time
Best,
Judith
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On 2/10/2017 11:07 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: I add my support for Fatima to replace Leon as elector for the Board member election. Notwithstanding my support here, the rule that makes the RALO the determining voice for the vote of a NomCom appointed ALAC member is hopelessly flawed. Maybe it was unintentional but this impugns the independence of the member. The unfettered independence of the NomCom appointed ALAC member is a major objective of that process and is meant to insulate that person from regional passions. That independence is especially valuable when that is an elector for the Board member. should not be conscripted. -Carlton Samuels
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