Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Ideally, there's a phase where the ALAC forms some consensus on positions to carry to the EPDP
From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:54 AM To: ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
In #6, it should be "EPDP Members and Alternates" instead of "ALAC Members and Alternates". Thanks to Sebastien for catching this.
Alan
At 07/07/2018 12:41 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
There have been no further comments to the message I sent to the ALAC yesterday (modified to correct two issues identified by Ricardo) on the process associated with the selection of the GNSO Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) to put policy in place to replace the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data adopted by the ICANN Board effective 25 May 2018. I therefore am recommending, with the full support of the ALT, to use the following process: 1. Very shortly, we will send out an request for Expressions of Interest with a very short window (48-72 hours). The EoI will be an online GoogleDocs Form and will ask for information on the candidates past involvement/knowledge with WHOIS issues, the ability and willingness to participate, and understanding of the EPDP participation criteria. Membership and participation will be on behalf of the ALAC and not representing personal views. 2. The ALAC will have access to the EoI and all Members are expected to review the EoIs and ranks them. This is review is CONFIDENTIAL and neither the contents of the EoIs nor the ALAC comments may be discussed/presented outside of this group. ALAC Members will have a very short time to review these EoI, likely 48 hours. 3. The ALAC Chair, in conjunction with the ALT will summarize the evaluations and make a final selection, ordered to allow for changes in the final charter, ensuring that the final selection meets the overall criteria and ensures a reasonable level of diversity and balance. 4. The ALAC Chair will transmit the final selection to the GNSO Council or GNSO Chair as appropriate as well as to the ALAC, in sufficient time to meet the GNSO requested timeline. [CORRECTION: cc: ALAC] 5. At the time of the transmittal, the Chair will announce the number and demographics of the applicants. 6. Once the proposed ALAC Members and Alternates are selected, a meeting will be convened of the Members and Alternates prior to the EPDP's first meeting to ensure that everyone has the same understanding of what we will be doing. Barring issues that elongate this process, the proposed timeline is: - EoI issued Monday, 09 July; - ALAC evaluation of responses begins Thursday, 12 July; - ALT synthesis of evaluation and final selection Saturday, 14 July - Monday, 16 July; - Announcement and scheduling of EPDP prospective Members/Alternates Tuesday, 17 July. With this message, I am initiating a Consensus Call of the ALAC to ratify the above recommendation. Due to tight time constraints, this Consensus Call will end at 23:59 UTC on Wednesday, 11 July 2018. The call for EoIs will run in parallel with this Consensus Call, but no further action will be taken before ratification. If there are any questions of comments, please direct them to either this list or to me directly. Although messages indicating support are welcome, they are not necessary. This Consensus Call will be deemed to have succeeded in the absence of significant opposition (greater than 20% as specified by ALAC RoP 12.3.3.1). Alan
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 19:46:04 -0400 To: ALAC <<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> From: Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: URGENT: EDPD - Proposed way forward As you all know, the GNSO is chartering an Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) to put policy in place to replace the Temporary Specification for gTLD Registration Data that the Board adopted. Since the temporary specification must be replaced by 25 May 2019, the EPDP will have to proceed VERY quickly, with a draft policy published by ICANN 63 in Barcelona (about 3 months from now). The GNSO is expected to adopt the EPDP Charter on 19 July and convene the EPD very soon after. That is 2 weeks from today. At this point, it looks like each sub-group of the GNSO and other AC/SOs will each have three Members and three Alternates (the Alternates can "listen/read" but can only actively participate in the absence of a Member). The current details can be found at <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf>https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf . This is subject to change before the Charter is adopted, but at this point it is a major victory that they are discussing parity with the GNSO groups. If this comes to be, there are a few people to whom we will owe a huge debt of gratitude. Without doubt we will have SOME formal presence on the EPDP which was not a certainty just a few days ago. Membership in the EPDP is expected to require up to 30 hours per week, starting immediately and at least for the first 4 months, and probably a lower but still significant commitment until mid-2018 [CORRECTION: 2019]. The GNSO is also setting some very specific criteria for participation. Although the list may change, the current requirements are appended to this message. You will recall that in Panama, we decided that the evaluation of possible candidates is sufficiently important that it should be done at the first level by the ALAC, but clearly we do not have a lot of time to do so. Moreover, we will have to ensure that the selected candidates balance skills, availability and an understanding of user issues. The ALT discussed this at our meeting on Friday and are proposing the following path forward: 1. Very shortly, we will send out an request for Expressions of Interest with a very short window (48-72 hours). The EoI will be an online GoogleDocs Form and will ask for information on the candidates past involvement/knowledge with WHOIS issues, the ability and willingness to participate, and understanding of the EPDP participation criteria. Membership and participation will be on behalf of the ALAC and not representing personal views.
2. The ALAC will have access to the EoI and all Members are expected to review the EoIs and ranks them. This is review is CONFIDENTIAL and neither the contents of the EoIs nor the ALAC comments may be discussed/presented outside of this group. ALAC Members will have a very short time to review these EoI, likely 48 hours. 3. The ALAC Chair, in conjunction with the ALT will summarize the evaluations and make a final selection, ordered to allow for changes in the final charter, ensuring that the final selection meets the overall criteria and ensures a reasonable level of diversity and balance. 4. The ALAC Chair will transmit the final selection to the GNSO Council or GNSO Chair as appropriate as well as the ALAC, in sufficient time to meet the GNSO requested timeline. [CORRECTION: cc: ALAC] 5. At the time of the transmittal, the Chair will announce the number and demographics of the applicants. 6. Once the proposed ALAC Members and Alternates are selected, we will need to convene a meeting of them prior to the EPDP's first meeting to ensure that everyone has the same understanding of what we will be doing. Barring issues that elongate this process, the proposed timeline is: - EoI issued Monday, 09 July; - ALAC evaluation of responses begins Thursday, 12 July; - ALT synthesis of evaluation and final selection Saturday, 14 July - Monday, 16 July; - Announcement and scheduling of EPDP prospective Members/Alternates Tuesday, 17 July. This process will be the subject of a short ALAC Consensus Call most likely starting Friday (tomorrow for me). The Consensus call will overlap with the EoI submission process. Alan ========================
EPDP Charter Membership Criteria Have sufficient and appropriate motivation, availability and expertise to participate in the substance of the work of the EPDP Team. Appropriate experience could, for example, include experience with the previous RDS/WHOIS policy development processes, task forces, or implementation review teams, or participation in EWG efforts; Commit to abide by the EPDP Team Commitment Statement, and to accept the consequences of non-compliance as may be determined by the EPDP leadership or appointing group; Commit to build consensus on issues within the scope of this EPDP; Commit to actively participate in the activities of the EPDP on an on-going and long-term basis, for a period of no less than one-year, with the highest intensity expected in the first six to eight months; Solicit and communicate (where appropriate) the views and concerns of individuals in the group that appoints them; Commit to abide to the charter when participating in the EPDP Team; Understand the needs of the Internet communities that ICANN serves (standards, domains and numbers); Commit to attend any provided introductory training courses, e.g., privacy, trademarks, registrar operations, DNS, etc. Understand the broader ecosystem (the Internet Community) in which ICANN operates and the needs of those working on other aspects of the Internet industry. _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/>http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC )
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC. Regards Alberto El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms.
Alan
At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
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You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail! This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals. What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear. Alan At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/proposed-e... [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA... _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
Makes sense. General principles will do. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail! This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals. What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear. Alan At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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On Jul 8, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Makes sense. General principles will do.
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail!
This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals.
What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear.
Alan
At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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If I may make a suggestion now that it appears there is some movement to consensus on " What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is" , maybe the ALAC will now attend to that; Deliver a writing to serve as guide to representatives clearly stating *the principles, intent and redlines* pertaining. Where you don't know what you know, state that too, without ambiguity. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Makes sense. General principles will do.
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail!
This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals.
What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear.
Alan
At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki:
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Yep. Let's do that. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://<br/>www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> ________________________________ From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00:22 PM To: Jonathan Zuck Cc: Alan Greenberg; Alberto Soto; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward If I may make a suggestion now that it appears there is some movement to consensus on " What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is" , maybe the ALAC will now attend to that; Deliver a writing to serve as guide to representatives clearly stating the principles, intent and redlines pertaining. Where you don't know what you know, state that too, without ambiguity. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: Makes sense. General principles will do. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail! This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals. What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear. Alan At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
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Awesome.. :) On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Yep. Let's do that.
Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://%3Cbr/%3Ewww.InnovatorsNetwork.org>
------------------------------ *From:* Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:00:22 PM *To:* Jonathan Zuck *Cc:* Alan Greenberg; Alberto Soto; At-Large Worldwide
*Subject:* Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
If I may make a suggestion now that it appears there is some movement to consensus on " What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is" , maybe the ALAC will now attend to that; Deliver a writing to serve as guide to representatives clearly stating *the principles, intent and redlines* pertaining.
Where you don't know what you know, state that too, without ambiguity.
-Carlton
-Carlton
============================== *Carlton A Samuels*
*Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Makes sense. General principles will do.
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; ALAC < alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward
You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail!
This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals.
What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear.
Alan
At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
Links: ------ [1] https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf [2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac [3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ [4] https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
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+1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlton Samuels To: Jonathan Zuck (JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org) Cc: At-Large Worldwide ; Alan Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward If I may make a suggestion now that it appears there is some movement to consensus on " What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is" , maybe the ALAC will now attend to that; Deliver a writing to serve as guide to representatives clearly stating the principles, intent and redlines pertaining. Where you don't know what you know, state that too, without ambiguity. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote: Makes sense. General principles will do. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail! This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals. What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear. Alan At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org wrote: >Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal >opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC. > >Regards > >Alberto > >El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió: >>Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time >>requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no >>doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be >>to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what >>minimizes the potential harms. >>Alan >>At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote: >> >>Links: >>------ >>[1] >>https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/prop >>osed-epdp-membership-structure-temp-spec-27jun18-en.pdf >>[2] https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>[3] http://www.atlarge.icann.org/ >>[4] >>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committe >>e+(ALAC _______________________________________________ >>ALAC mailing list >>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: >>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...)
+1 From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Kan Kaili Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:51 PM To: Carlton Samuels; JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org Cc: At-Large Worldwide; Alan Greenberg Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward +1 ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlton Samuels<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> To: Jonathan Zuck (JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org)<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org)> Cc: At-Large Worldwide<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; Alan Greenberg<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward If I may make a suggestion now that it appears there is some movement to consensus on " What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is" , maybe the ALAC will now attend to that; Deliver a writing to serve as guide to representatives clearly stating the principles, intent and redlines pertaining. Where you don't know what you know, state that too, without ambiguity. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: Makes sense. General principles will do. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg [mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>] Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:33 PM To: asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>>; ALAC <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [ALAC] Consensus Call: EDPD - Proposed way forward You have to be careful here. If all that out Members could say was exactly what the ALAC had formally agreed, it would always be very out of date and we would not need three people to do this, we could send an e-mail! This EPDP will be moving very quickly and there is no way we can have formal or informal approval while meetings are going on and other people are putting out new ideas and proposals. What we need are agreed to general principles and people who understand them and what the INTENT of the ALAC and At-Large is. ANd regular opportunities to share what is going on and ask for direction if the way forward is not clear. Alan At 07/07/2018 09:32 PM, asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Agree, but prior agreement. Otherwise, it would be the personal opinions of our representatives, not the opinions of ALAC.
Regards
Alberto
El 2018-07-07 18:42, Alan Greenberg escribió:
Indeed, thus the last sentence of #1 and #6 as well as time requirement to attend At-Large calls. As the EPDP runs, there will no doubt be many details to be defined, but the overall guidance will be to look at what maximizes the benefits to Internet users and what minimizes the potential harms. Alan At 07/07/2018 05:38 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
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Alan Greenberg -
asoto＠ibero-americano.org -
Carlton Samuels -
Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi -
Javier Rua -
Jonathan Zuck -
Kan Kaili -
Maureen Hilyard