Hello all, as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam. https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst... Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards, Olivier
Hello Olivier, Thanks for sharing this, i recall you actually raised this during one of our meeting and i really did not consider the implication this much. Its interesting how people pay such huge amount and go through the application processes to end-up utilizing the TLD in such a manner. Within the numbers community, resources are assigned/allocated on "needs" basis. Are there polices that reviews/check usage of TLDs against the intent of requesting the TLD initially? I guess that could be where to approach this and reduce the growth of such abuse. Regards On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam.
https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
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Seun idea is interesting but there are several Other interests in having a TLD. Related to spamhouse report I have a lot of experience including my own email that they decided to block nobody knows why an you the victim of its bad work has no way to talk to them get some feedback . Suddenly the system just put again the name free and your email come back to live- so the false positive if it's system is very bad - not blindly trust in such list Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On 7 de mar de 2016, at 18:38, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Olivier,
Thanks for sharing this, i recall you actually raised this during one of our meeting and i really did not consider the implication this much. Its interesting how people pay such huge amount and go through the application processes to end-up utilizing the TLD in such a manner. Within the numbers community, resources are assigned/allocated on "needs" basis. Are there polices that reviews/check usage of TLDs against the intent of requesting the TLD initially? I guess that could be where to approach this and reduce the growth of such abuse.
Regards
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote: Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam. https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
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Very interesting questions and comments. I can tell you similar questions/comments/concerns have already been raised in CCT RT sessions. Kaili and I endeavour to note these concerns and as apropriate, bring them to the RT. We invite your continued engagement. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Olivier,
Thanks for sharing this, i recall you actually raised this during one of our meeting and i really did not consider the implication this much. Its interesting how people pay such huge amount and go through the application processes to end-up utilizing the TLD in such a manner. Within the numbers community, resources are assigned/allocated on "needs" basis. Are there polices that reviews/check usage of TLDs against the intent of requesting the TLD initially? I guess that could be where to approach this and reduce the growth of such abuse.
Regards
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam.
https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
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Thanks Olivier. This may or may not be a coincidence, but I definitely did not plan on releasing my own data at the same time as Spamhaus. However, I have conducted my own review of spam-heavy TLDs and will be publishing the results today. I contacted each registry directly and waited a few days to hear back from each of them. I can say that some of the registries have been responsive and other have not. Time will reveal how each registry handles the abuse issue, and this is what I plan to look at. My report looks at all TLDs, not just new TLDs, but there is a clear pattern which supports the Spamhaus results, in that new gTLDs are rapidly passing legacy TLDs in abuse rates. The report also editorializes ICANN's consumer trust issues in terms of the website and compliance. ALAC get's the first crack: http://www.knujon.com/knujon-icann-consumers-rygy-limbo-032016.pdf On 3/7/16 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam. https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
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Garth: This report is certainly a useful addition to the sources of information. Congrats. The Consumer Trsut and Safeguards subteam of the CCT RT would certainly be interested in this report. With your permission, maybe I could share the link with the CCT Review Team? Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:
Thanks Olivier. This may or may not be a coincidence, but I definitely did not plan on releasing my own data at the same time as Spamhaus.
However, I have conducted my own review of spam-heavy TLDs and will be publishing the results today. I contacted each registry directly and waited a few days to hear back from each of them. I can say that some of the registries have been responsive and other have not. Time will reveal how each registry handles the abuse issue, and this is what I plan to look at.
My report looks at all TLDs, not just new TLDs, but there is a clear pattern which supports the Spamhaus results, in that new gTLDs are rapidly passing legacy TLDs in abuse rates.
The report also editorializes ICANN's consumer trust issues in terms of the website and compliance.
ALAC get's the first crack: http://www.knujon.com/knujon-icann-consumers-rygy-limbo-032016.pdf
On 3/7/16 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam.
https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
Olivier _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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Please do On 3/8/16 7:13 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Garth: This report is certainly a useful addition to the sources of information. Congrats.
The Consumer Trsut and Safeguards subteam of the CCT RT would certainly be interested in this report. With your permission, maybe I could share the link with the CCT Review Team?
Best, -Carlton
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 /Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround/ =============================
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com> <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> wrote:
Thanks Olivier. This may or may not be a coincidence, but I definitely did not plan on releasing my own data at the same time as Spamhaus.
However, I have conducted my own review of spam-heavy TLDs and will be publishing the results today. I contacted each registry directly and waited a few days to hear back from each of them. I can say that some of the registries have been responsive and other have not. Time will reveal how each registry handles the abuse issue, and this is what I plan to look at.
My report looks at all TLDs, not just new TLDs, but there is a clear pattern which supports the Spamhaus results, in that new gTLDs are rapidly passing legacy TLDs in abuse rates.
The report also editorializes ICANN's consumer trust issues in terms of the website and compliance.
ALAC get's the first crack: http://www.knujon.com/knujon-icann-consumers-rygy-limbo-032016.pdf
On 3/7/16 6:27 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Hello all,
as you know, the ALAC has been wondering about whether new gTLDs brought consumer trust. Well - an organisation has released a list of gTLDs that don't appear to be as trustworthy as others when it comes to spam. https://www.spamhaus.org/news/article/728/spamhaus-presents-the-worlds-worst...
Since this relates to spam, and we are concerned about universal acceptance of new gTLDs, how likely is it that some of the TLDs listed might be blacklisted in mailers in the future? Kindest regards,
Olivier _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac
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Carlton Samuels -
gbruen＠knujon.com -
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond -
Seun Ojedeji -
Vanda UOL