Re: [ALAC] [ALAC-Objections] First Community objections results and determinations being published by the ICC
Thanks, Dev. This is exactly the kins of problem we don't want to have with the CPE by not having properly trained evaluators regarding "community". No reason why the NGPC can't understand why we are concerned after receiving this type of correspondence. Rinalia On Sep 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Letter to Cherine Chalaby, Fadi Chehade, Christine Willet (ICANN) from Shweta Sahjwani (Radix Registry), Jay Westerdal (Fegistry, LLC.) criticising ICC Panel's decisions regarding .gay, .architect, and .fly (more with the latter two)
http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/sahjwani-westerdal-to-chalaby-et...
Dev Anand
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
On 10/09/2013 17:38, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
- objection against .gay dismissed (8 page determination) - objection against .architect is successful (60 page determination) - objection against .fly dismissed (21 page determination) I am amazed about the variety of report lengths. 8 pages vs. 60 pages.
Wow!
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I so too can emote to the concerns. I participated in the process to determine objection standing chaired by Dev. And as I went along and reflected I became increasingly uneasy as it became achingly clear that our standing as surrogate was increasingly weak since the definition of "community" that I was relying on was demonstrably uncertain subjected as it were to variations, patently irregular and, even cockeyed. The process might have been formulated but clearly a low hurdle to abuse existed. And, more than anything else, equity could not be guaranteed. What you say? Yes, there is the law. But equity is the value to uphold in these matters. That was when I decided to withdraw and provide no further participation in the objection process. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Dev. This is exactly the kins of problem we don't want to have with the CPE by not having properly trained evaluators regarding "community". No reason why the NGPC can't understand why we are concerned after receiving this type of correspondence.
Rinalia On Sep 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Letter to Cherine Chalaby, Fadi Chehade, Christine Willet (ICANN) from Shweta Sahjwani (Radix Registry), Jay Westerdal (Fegistry, LLC.) criticising ICC Panel's decisions regarding .gay, .architect, and .fly (more with the latter two)
http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/sahjwani-westerdal-to-chalaby-et...
Dev Anand
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
On 10/09/2013 17:38, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
- objection against .gay dismissed (8 page determination) - objection against .architect is successful (60 page determination) - objection against .fly dismissed (21 page determination) I am amazed about the variety of report lengths. 8 pages vs. 60 pages.
Wow!
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I would note, from reading the letter from these applicants, that the perceived flaws of the system are, in this case at least, working in favour of the public interest. Reading the letter, it seems that the applicants are taking to task (what is in their opinion) an overly broad interpretation of the term "community", and wish to dismiss the objections by belittling the objectors' status. They go so far as to characterize two (IMO reasonable) GAC early warnings as "outrageous". If this is the way the Experts will be operating -- erring on the side of public interest when AGB lacks clarity, and recognizing the more-absurd constraints on ICANN's definition of "community" -- I'm OK with that. - Evan On 26 September 2013 10:45, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Dev. This is exactly the kins of problem we don't want to have with the CPE by not having properly trained evaluators regarding "community". No reason why the NGPC can't understand why we are concerned after receiving this type of correspondence.
Rinalia On Sep 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Letter to Cherine Chalaby, Fadi Chehade, Christine Willet (ICANN) from Shweta Sahjwani (Radix Registry), Jay Westerdal (Fegistry, LLC.) criticising ICC Panel's decisions regarding .gay, .architect, and .fly (more with the latter two)
http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/sahjwani-westerdal-to-chalaby-et...
Dev Anand
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
On 10/09/2013 17:38, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
- objection against .gay dismissed (8 page determination) - objection against .architect is successful (60 page determination) - objection against .fly dismissed (21 page determination) I am amazed about the variety of report lengths. 8 pages vs. 60 pages.
Wow!
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I have to agree with Evan, Carlton and Rinalia. What I am reading between the lines is a rant by people who spent lots of money and feel entitled, therefore, to the name. The 'community', therefore, is simply a roadblock, something to belittle. And the real problem, as ALAC has pointed out, is that there isn't the rigour and consistency there should be - with the ruling on com/cam as the best example (and the confusing rulings on plurals a close second). It's beginning to feel as if the whole new gTLD process is rapidly going WAY off the rails. Holly On 27/09/2013, at 6:10 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
I would note, from reading the letter from these applicants, that the perceived flaws of the system are, in this case at least, working in favour of the public interest.
Reading the letter, it seems that the applicants are taking to task (what is in their opinion) an overly broad interpretation of the term "community", and wish to dismiss the objections by belittling the objectors' status. They go so far as to characterize two (IMO reasonable) GAC early warnings as "outrageous".
If this is the way the Experts will be operating -- erring on the side of public interest when AGB lacks clarity, and recognizing the more-absurd constraints on ICANN's definition of "community" -- I'm OK with that.
- Evan
On 26 September 2013 10:45, Rinalia Abdul Rahim < rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Dev. This is exactly the kins of problem we don't want to have with the CPE by not having properly trained evaluators regarding "community". No reason why the NGPC can't understand why we are concerned after receiving this type of correspondence.
Rinalia On Sep 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Letter to Cherine Chalaby, Fadi Chehade, Christine Willet (ICANN) from Shweta Sahjwani (Radix Registry), Jay Westerdal (Fegistry, LLC.) criticising ICC Panel's decisions regarding .gay, .architect, and .fly (more with the latter two)
http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/sahjwani-westerdal-to-chalaby-et...
Dev Anand
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
On 10/09/2013 17:38, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
- objection against .gay dismissed (8 page determination) - objection against .architect is successful (60 page determination) - objection against .fly dismissed (21 page determination) I am amazed about the variety of report lengths. 8 pages vs. 60 pages.
Wow!
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On 26 September 2013 16:57, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
It's beginning to feel as if the whole new gTLD process is rapidly going WAY off the rails.
Beginning? ;-) - Evan
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