Dear Rinalia, I received a call from Cherine Chalaby early this morning acknowledging the error - and with a promise that we will receive a response soon. The Board will soon be meeting in Los Angeles (Board retreat). Kind regards, Olivier On 23/09/2013 10:38, Rinalia Abdul Rahim wrote:

Dear Olivier,

Given the norms of bureaucracy and Board responses, I doubt that we will get a response that is different than the one that has been sent to you by Cherine.

This means that either the NGPC is really confused or they are choosing to ignore the issue of community expertise in the CPE.

Rather than wasting time with the going back and forth on clarifying which statement is what, I propose that you send the attached correspondence as immediate follow up. This will quickly de-confuse the NGPC in terms of what exactly we mean. In addition, it will serve as the "additional detail regarding these topics" that they are expecting us to send to them "in the near future".

In terms of process, I propose that you put this correspondence up for ALAC consensus during the call on Tuesday, after which I urge you to send it onwards tout suite.

Best regards,

Rinalia

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> wrote:

You know what -- you're right! I thought it was actually differently worded because of its filename. NGPC definitely confused. In any case, I have asked for a response on the other Statement. Kind regards,

Olivier

On 21/09/2013 19:07, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote: > Olivier, > > The attached file is exactly the same as the previous one > > Tijani > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] De la part de Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond > Envoyé : samedi 21 septembre 2013 23:10 > À : ALAC Working List > Objet : [ALAC] Fwd: Correction: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community > Applications > > Dear ALAC, > > please be so kind to find attached the response from the Chair of the NGPC > to my earlier reply. > I have since replied that our Statement on "Community Expertise in Community > Priority Evaluation" (AL-ALAC-ST-0813-03-00-EN) still stands and we look > forward to a response from the NGPC on this matter. > Kind regards, > > Olivier > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Correction: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community > Applications > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 08:40:39 -0700 > From: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@*.org> > To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@*.com> > > > > Dear Olivier, > Please ignore the previous email. I sent you the wrong attachment. > Please find attached the correct response from the NGPC. > Thanks > Cherine > > From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>> > Date: Saturday, 21 September 2013 14:24 > To: Cherine Mohsen Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@icann.org <mailto:cherine.chalaby@icann.org> > <mailto:cherine.chalaby@icann.org <mailto:cherine.chalaby@icann.org>>> > Cc: Steve Crocker <Steve@shinkuro.com <mailto:Steve@shinkuro.com> <mailto:Steve@shinkuro.com <mailto:Steve@shinkuro.com>>>, > Secretary <secretary@icann.org <mailto:secretary@icann.org> <mailto:secretary@icann.org <mailto:secretary@icann.org>>>, ICANN At-Large > Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>>, Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <mailto:ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>>> > Subject: Re: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community Applications > > Dear Cherine, > > thank you very much for your kind reply which I will forward to the ALAC for > their information. > > I should point out that the NGPC might be confused in their response > regarding (1) "Community Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation" > (AL-ALAC-ST-0813-03-00-EN). This Statement, attached, was actually sent to > you and the NGPC. It was not sent to the Panel Firm. > > The Statement which the ALAC has sent to the Panel Firm is another Statement > entitled "ALAC Statement on the Community Priority Evaluation > (CPE) Guidelines Update from ICANN" (AL-ALAC-ST-0913-01-00-EN). I enclose a > copy of it here for your information - and you will notice it looks at the > subject from an entirely different angle. > > On behalf of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee, we look forward to the > NGPC's response on the ALAC's "Community Expertise in Community Priority > Evaluation" Statement. > > Best regards, > > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > ALAC Chair > > > On 21/09/2013 08:29, Cherine Chalaby wrote: >> Dear Olivier, >> >> >> >> On behalf of the New gTLD Program Committee (NGPC), I thank you for >> providing the two recent ALAC Statements regarding: (1) Community >> Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation; and (2) Preferential >> Treatment for Community Applications in String Contention. The NGPC >> appreciates the attention the ALAC has given to these two topics and >> has reviewed the statements carefully. The NGPC understands that >> additional detail regarding these topics may be sent to it in the near >> future. >> >> >> Please find attached the full response of the NGPC to the ALAC Statements. >> >> All the best, >> >> Cherine > > > >

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Whilst they have incorporated some of the concerns we raised, they were silent on others, it was probably as they would have felt that it was beyond their remit. Sent from my iPad

On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim <rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

Olivier: Any update on NGPC response on the statement?

ALAC: ICANN has published finalized CPE guidelines and says that community input has been incorporated by the EIU. Please have a look and share with the group on whether you think they did address the ALAC's comments (click on link below)

http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/announcements-and-media/announcement-27sep13-en

No redlined version provided to indicate what has changed.

Best regards,

Rinalia

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On Sep 23, 2013 7:39 PM, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

Dear Rinalia,

I received a call from Cherine Chalaby early this morning acknowledging the error - and with a promise that we will receive a response soon. The Board will soon be meeting in Los Angeles (Board retreat). Kind regards,

Olivier

On 23/09/2013 10:38, Rinalia Abdul Rahim wrote:

Dear Olivier,

Given the norms of bureaucracy and Board responses, I doubt that we will get a response that is different than the one that has been sent to you by Cherine.

This means that either the NGPC is really confused or they are choosing to ignore the issue of community expertise in the CPE.

Rather than wasting time with the going back and forth on clarifying which statement is what, I propose that you send the attached correspondence as immediate follow up. This will quickly de-confuse the NGPC in terms of what exactly we mean. In addition, it will serve as the "additional detail regarding these topics" that they are expecting us to send to them "in the near future".

In terms of process, I propose that you put this correspondence up for ALAC consensus during the call on Tuesday, after which I urge you to send it onwards tout suite.

Best regards,

Rinalia

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>wrote:

...

You know what -- you're right! I thought it was actually differently worded because of its filename. NGPC definitely confused. In any case, I have asked for a response on the other Statement. Kind regards,

Olivier

...

On 21/09/2013 19:07, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote: Olivier,

The attached file is exactly the same as the previous one

Tijani

-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Envoyé : samedi 21 septembre 2013 23:10 À : ALAC Working List Objet : [ALAC] Fwd: Correction: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community Applications

Dear ALAC,

please be so kind to find attached the response from the Chair of the NGPC to my earlier reply. I have since replied that our Statement on "Community Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation" (AL-ALAC-ST-0813-03-00-EN) still stands and we look forward to a response from the NGPC on this matter. Kind regards,

Olivier

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Correction: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community Applications Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 08:40:39 -0700 From: Cherine Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@*.org><cherine.chalaby@*.org> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@*.com> <ocl@*.com>

Dear Olivier, Please ignore the previous email. I sent you the wrong attachment. Please find attached the correct response from the NGPC. Thanks Cherine

From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> Date: Saturday, 21 September 2013 14:24 To: Cherine Mohsen Chalaby <cherine.chalaby@icann.org <mailto:cherine.chalaby@icann.org>> Cc: Steve Crocker <Steve@shinkuro.com <mailto:Steve@shinkuro.com>>, Secretary <secretary@icann.org <mailto:secretary@icann.org>>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com>> Subject: Re: Response to the ALAC Statements on Community Applications

Dear Cherine,

thank you very much for your kind reply which I will forward to the ALAC for their information.

I should point out that the NGPC might be confused in their response regarding (1) "Community Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation" (AL-ALAC-ST-0813-03-00-EN). This Statement, attached, was actually sent to you and the NGPC. It was not sent to the Panel Firm.

The Statement which the ALAC has sent to the Panel Firm is another Statement entitled "ALAC Statement on the Community Priority Evaluation (CPE) Guidelines Update from ICANN" (AL-ALAC-ST-0913-01-00-EN). I enclose a copy of it here for your information - and you will notice it looks at the subject from an entirely different angle.

On behalf of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee, we look forward to the NGPC's response on the ALAC's "Community Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation" Statement.

Best regards,

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair

...

On 21/09/2013 08:29, Cherine Chalaby wrote: Dear Olivier,

On behalf of the New gTLD Program Committee (NGPC), I thank you for providing the two recent ALAC Statements regarding: (1) Community Expertise in Community Priority Evaluation; and (2) Preferential Treatment for Community Applications in String Contention. The NGPC appreciates the attention the ALAC has given to these two topics and has reviewed the statements carefully. The NGPC understands that additional detail regarding these topics may be sent to it in the near future.

Please find attached the full response of the NGPC to the ALAC Statements.

All the best,

Cherine

-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html

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