Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Motion to amend the ALAC Rules of Procedure
Thanks Ricardo, You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it. Alan At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Dear Alan, This is a very important process and also much necessary. It is great that you are carrying it on. I also note that there is no reference as to how individual members get certified/affiliated. Also no definition of individual members i.e. ALAI (At-Large Affiliated Individual) whereas we do have designations and definitions for ALSs. I I may voice my opinion in regard to options A and B, I believe option B seems to be more practical than A. I hope these comments are useful. Best regards, León
El 03/10/2018, a las 10:40, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Thanks Leon, I believe that is ALUI! ;-) Alan At 04/10/2018 09:26 PM, León Felipe Sánchez AmbÃa wrote:
Dear Alan,
This is a very important process and also much necessary. It is great that you are carrying it on.
I also note that there is no reference as to how individual members get certified/affiliated. Also no definition of individual members i.e. ALAI (At-Large Affiliated Individual) whereas we do have designations and definitions for ALSs.
I I may voice my opinion in regard to options A and B, I believe option B seems to be more practical than A.
I hope these comments are useful.
Best regards,
León
El 03/10/2018, a las 10:40, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> escribió:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents. To summarize, our overall rule set includes: Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices. Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics) Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16. Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership). ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish. Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes. Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list). Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/>http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
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I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list. But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists. The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation. Maureen On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Something to file for the discussions then To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not Dev Anand On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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I strongly agree with Dev's suggestion to have a uniform membership and also have the Accreditation process simplified. On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 16:44, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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+1 Regards Alberto El 2018-10-05 10:54, DANIEL NANGHAKA escribió:
I strongly agree with Dev's suggestion to have a uniform membership and also have the Accreditation process simplified.
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 16:44, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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+1 -----Original Message----- From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of asoto@ibero-americano.org Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:06 PM To: DANIEL NANGHAKA Cc: ALAC; Alan Greenberg Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Motion to amend the ALAC Rules of Procedure +1 Regards Alberto El 2018-10-05 10:54, DANIEL NANGHAKA escribió:
I strongly agree with Dev's suggestion to have a uniform membership and also have the Accreditation process simplified.
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 16:44, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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A few related points: - Given the possibility that numbers could be non-trivial compared to ALS applications, and also given that different RALOs could have criteria specific to them, should the individual member admissions be left to each RALO? - Should we have an ALAC-level roster of all individual members so that we can detect overlaps? - Although not directly related to membership, should we also clean up RALO-level community mailing lists and convert existing mailing list members who are neither individual members nor RALO representatives, to consider becoming individual members? satish On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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I believe the concept of Individual membership spans across almost all RALOs. If we have one form where members sign up and select the region, then automatically the name sent to the respective RALOs. I think the process should be simplified. Definitely Satish, it could be an idea that is worth implementing when it comes to cleaning up the lists and making the lists organised. On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 17:11, Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com> wrote:
A few related points:
- Given the possibility that numbers could be non-trivial compared to ALS applications, and also given that different RALOs could have criteria specific to them, should the individual member admissions be left to each RALO? - Should we have an ALAC-level roster of all individual members so that we can detect overlaps? - Although not directly related to membership, should we also clean up RALO-level community mailing lists and convert existing mailing list members who are neither individual members nor RALO representatives, to consider becoming individual members?
satish
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Hi Judith On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
So are you proposing that staff create a list of people who are subscribed to the list and identify all and those who are not with ALSes or are an individual member be asked if they want to join as an individual member? I was just seeking some clarity on this
Yes, that's what I'd proposed. Of course, they could respond that they would rather retain their current fuzzy status rather than become an individual member, in which case we are back to square one... satish
Cheers,
Judith
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On 10/5/2018 10:10 AM, Satish Babu wrote:
A few related points:
- Given the possibility that numbers could be non-trivial compared to ALS applications, and also given that different RALOs could have criteria specific to them, should the individual member admissions be left to each RALO? - Should we have an ALAC-level roster of all individual members so that we can detect overlaps? - Although not directly related to membership, should we also clean up RALO-level community mailing lists and convert existing mailing list members who are neither individual members nor RALO representatives, to consider becoming individual members?
satish
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Hi Satish, I think yours is a good idea to engage with a lot of people in our lists, that are not aware they can be Individual Users, may be pointing them to the appropriate rules of each RALO. But also, I agree with Judith, there is people on this lists that are currently affiliated to an ALS, knowing or not knowing if their Organization is an ALS (for example not all ISOC Chapters are), but in most cases there is more than one person involved in ICANN (the actual representant), in some cases there are several, like mine, that there are at least four more. Best Ricardo El vie., 5 oct. 2018 a las 16:55, Satish Babu (<sb@inapp.com>) escribió:
Hi Judith
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:
So are you proposing that staff create a list of people who are subscribed to the list and identify all and those who are not with ALSes or are an individual member be asked if they want to join as an individual member? I was just seeking some clarity on this
Yes, that's what I'd proposed.
Of course, they could respond that they would rather retain their current fuzzy status rather than become an individual member, in which case we are back to square one...
satish
Cheers,
Judith
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On 10/5/2018 10:10 AM, Satish Babu wrote:
A few related points:
- Given the possibility that numbers could be non-trivial compared to ALS applications, and also given that different RALOs could have criteria specific to them, should the individual member admissions be left to each RALO? - Should we have an ALAC-level roster of all individual members so that we can detect overlaps? - Although not directly related to membership, should we also clean up RALO-level community mailing lists and convert existing mailing list members who are neither individual members nor RALO representatives, to consider becoming individual members?
satish
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:14 PM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg < alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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While the uniform process still needs to be detailed, am in support of such line of thought which I can summarize as follows: - EOI submission - Staff due diligence - Staff notification on RALO list, with the intent of confirming if the applicant is not an ALS member - RALO approval for ALAC ratification - ALAC ratification Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 14:44 Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Dear Seun, sorry just catching up with old emails. The procedure which you mention below, Seun, seems to be really heavy handed. You are speaking of ALAC ratification for every individual member? Do you realise that EURALO, for example, has in excess of 30 individual members handled by the EURALO individuals association. I could not imagine getting the ALAC to vote on each and every individual application. The way we have done it in EURALO is to delegate the task of handling individual users to a purpose built structure and they have conducted the process which you have listed below, by individual users, for individual users. I realise that there are always pressures for centralisation, but in this sort of process, I really think delegation and decentralisation is the key to good growth whilst keeping the administrative workload of the ALAC to a manageable level. Kindest regards, Olivier On 05/10/2018 16:21, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
While the uniform process still needs to be detailed, am in support of such line of thought which I can summarize as follows:
- EOI submission - Staff due diligence - Staff notification on RALO list, with the intent of confirming if the applicant is not an ALS member - RALO approval for ALAC ratification - ALAC ratification
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 14:44 Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com <mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió:
As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Wed, 10 Oct 2018, 17:24 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear Seun,
sorry just catching up with old emails. The procedure which you mention below, Seun, seems to be really heavy handed. You are speaking of ALAC ratification for every individual member? Do you realise that EURALO, for example, has in excess of 30 individual members handled by the EURALO individuals association. I could not imagine getting the ALAC to vote on each and every individual application. The way we have done it in EURALO is to delegate the task of handling individual users to a purpose built structure and they have conducted the process which you have listed below, by individual users, for individual users. I realise that there are always pressures for centralisation, but in this sort of process, I really think delegation and decentralisation is the key to good growth whilst keeping the administrative workload of the ALAC to a manageable level.
SO: Olivier, it depends on how much details ALAC is looking into; ratification can simply mean approving the recommendation of that group you said already does it and it can simply be to affirm if they have followed the review process. Secondly ratification for individual members can be done in bulk on periodic basis, that way it won't require voting on each individual (but chance to exclude any controversial individual may need to be included) Overall I don't think this process needs to be cumbersome, it all depends on how much details ALAC will be required to look at before ratification. On a lighter note, 30 isn't so much a big number to consider :-) Thanks Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 05/10/2018 16:21, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
While the uniform process still needs to be detailed, am in support of such line of thought which I can summarize as follows:
- EOI submission - Staff due diligence - Staff notification on RALO list, with the intent of confirming if the applicant is not an ALS member - RALO approval for ALAC ratification - ALAC ratification
Regards Sent from my mobile Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018, 14:44 Dev Anand Teelucksingh, <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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I like Dev’s proposal, but agree with Maureen. Changes to the ROP should be discussed first. There can be some preparation - maybe have staff do some slides showing what is there - along side what is proposed - just to make discussions easier. That way, on the Friday, a least have a preliminary discussion going??? Holly
On Oct 5, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Holly (and others), As I have said, Dev's proposal reflects a new requirement - that is a ALAC policy issue and needs to be fully discussed. And I presume will be as part of the At-Large Improvements. Nothing in the proposed RoP changes is meant to reflect such a change. It is simply a matter of having our RoP be up to date and clearly stated. Do you believe that extracting all of the BEFORE And AFTER paragraphs will be that much clearer than the redline to warrant the effort. If so, I will ask that staff do it immediately. But this is a very busy time 1 week from travel so let's only do it if necessary. Alan At 07/10/2018 02:56 AM, Holly Raiche wrote:
I like Devâs proposal, but agree with Maureen. Changes to the ROP should be discussed first. There can be some preparation - maybe have staff do some slides showing what is there - along side what is proposed - just to make discussions easier. That way, on the Friday, a least have a preliminary discussion going???
Holly
On Oct 5, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <<mailto:devtee@gmail.com>devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard <<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote: Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents. To summarize, our overall rule set includes: Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices. Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics) Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16. Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed. Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership). ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish. Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes. Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list). Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org>ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/>http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALAC)
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Having the changes in redline is fine - happy with it. As long as it is clear what is to be changed and people can easily see what is being asked. And happy to separate out changes from a policy changes.
On Oct 8, 2018, at 6:25 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Holly (and others),
As I have said, Dev's proposal reflects a new requirement - that is a ALAC policy issue and needs to be fully discussed. And I presume will be as part of the At-Large Improvements.
Nothing in the proposed RoP changes is meant to reflect such a change. It is simply a matter of having our RoP be up to date and clearly stated.
Do you believe that extracting all of the BEFORE And AFTER paragraphs will be that much clearer than the redline to warrant the effort. If so, I will ask that staff do it immediately. But this is a very busy time 1 week from travel so let's only do it if necessary.
Alan
At 07/10/2018 02:56 AM, Holly Raiche wrote:
I like Dev’s proposal, but agree with Maureen. Changes to the ROP should be discussed first. There can be some preparation - maybe have staff do some slides showing what is there - along side what is proposed - just to make discussions easier. That way, on the Friday, a least have a preliminary discussion going???
Holly
On Oct 5, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com <mailto:devtee@gmail.com>> wrote:
Something to file for the discussions then
To me, the individual membership should be done in a equivalent manner for Organisations applying to be Accredited as a member of the at large community - a common online application form in the 6un languages on the at large website - the ralos provide regional advice after staff due diligence is sent to the ralos for their advice - the ALAC votes whether to accept the regional advice or not
Dev Anand
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard@gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> wrote: I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > wrote: Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents. To summarize, our overall rule set includes: Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices. Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics) Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16. Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed. Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership). ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish. Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes. Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list). Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) <https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...>
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Totally agree Maureen, defining different types of membership is essential. Hadia From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Hilyard Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:29 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: ALAC Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Motion to amend the ALAC Rules of Procedure I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list. But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists. The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation. Maureen On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Thanks Ricardo, You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it. Alan At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote: Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision. I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP). About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved. Best Ricardo Holmquist El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents. To summarize, our overall rule set includes: Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices. Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics) Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16. Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed. Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership). ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work). Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel. I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish. Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes. Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list). Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(ALA...) 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El 08-10-2018, a las 06:41, Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi <Hadia@tra.gov.eg> escribió:
Totally agree Maureen, defining different types of membership is essential.
Hadia
From: ALAC [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Maureen Hilyard Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:29 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: ALAC Subject: Re: [ALAC] Fwd: Motion to amend the ALAC Rules of Procedure
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (<alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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Dear Alan, good Initiative! I have to agree with Maureen, I do not think it's a good time to start discussing this, I think we have to give participation to the RALOS, in the case of LACRALO, we are in the process of defining our rules. Best regards *Sergio Salinas Porto**Presidente Internauta Argentina**Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar/>/CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar/>**FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilatin.org/>**facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> **twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas>**Youtube: salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto>**Skype:internautaargentina**Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819**"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra * * conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano* El vie., 5 oct. 2018 a las 5:29, Maureen Hilyard (<maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>) escribió:
I agree that individual membership as well as ALS registration details still need to be discussed further and this was certainly going to be on my "to do" list.
But I do not think that any real changes to the ROPs can be made at this time without full consultation with everyone, especially when some RALOs are still discussing it within their own membership lists.
The issue of defining / redefining different types of membership (affiliated and unaffiliated individual members as well as of ALSes) should be incorporated into the implementation plan, under Item #2 which looks at individual participation.
Maureen
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:44 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Thanks Ricardo,
You may be right that 1.1 needs more than a few words inserted to have it make full sense. I will look at it.
Alan
At 03/10/2018 10:29 AM, Ricardo Holmquist wrote:
Good day Alan, Thanks so much for the revision.
I have one comment for the Introduction, where a phrase concerning the approval of the Individual members seems to be missing (Being it an RALO approval, an ALAC Approval, a Committee Approval or what the RALO establishes in its own RoP).
About the Email guide, attached is a screen capture of the At Large email list (capture email guide), there is a missing "a" on the "may de-subscribe" line. It then its repeated in the rest of the lists from there on. Also on the Email Guide, almost at the end, in one of the corrections (capture email guide 2) it should say ALAC-Internal, and not just ALAC. In the same guide, about all the RALO lists (and also the At Large list), there is no direct inclusion of the Individual members. I understand that for EURALO (Not sure how the other RALO works, and LACRALO is still deciding how), it works like an ALS, where a representative is named to vote on EURALO instances, but I will also understand that in any RALO if an individual is asking to be a member, is not because he wants a "virtual" ALS, but because he wants to interact directly. Yes, I am aware anyone can auto subscribe, but it is just another step in the recognition of the individual users to include him in the list once approved.
Best
Ricardo Holmquist
El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 18:46, Alan Greenberg (< alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>) escribió: As I am about to relinquish the honor of being the Chair of the ALAC, I would like to leave things in reasonable order. There are a number of overdue changes needed to the Rules of Procedure (RoP) and associated documents.
To summarize, our overall rule set includes:
Rules of Procedure: We have a backlog of correction, clarifications and changes to address issues that have arisen or to bring the RoP in line with current practices.
Adjunct Document 01: "Position Description for ALAC Members, Liaisons and Appointees" I expect to be considered by the ARIWG in relation to Issue 16 (Metrics)
Adjunct Document 02: "Metrics and Remedial Actions for ALAC Members and Appointees" was never written but to the extent it is needed, it should also be considered in relation to Issue 16.
Adjunct Document 03: "At-Large Board Member Selection Implementation" should not need any immediate attention. The Selection process was referenced in the Review (Issue 6) but our proposal that was accepted by the Board disagreed with the Review Team and said that we will not address it in the Review Implementation. We may of course re-open that discussion at any point in the future if changes is needed.
Adjunct Document 04: "At-Large Structure Framework" will no doubt be reviewed and likely changed as part of addressing Review Issue 2 (ALS and Individual Membership).
ALAC E-mail Guide: There are a number of corrections and changes needed to being the document in line with current ALAC practice (and reduce routine work).
Accordingly I am proposing a set of changes to the ALAC Rules of Procedure and the ALAC E-mail Guide. The RoP call for at least 21 calendar days notice and and this message will allow us to vote on the amendments at the Wrap-Up Session in Barcelona. There will also be time allocated for discussion in Barcelona, but hopefully any need for change can be brought up and resolved via e-mail prior to travel.
I will do a very brief overview of the changes on the ALAC call later today, and we can have a dedicated call if people wish.
Attached is the redline revision of the RoP as well as a Change Log explaining each of the changes.
Also attached is the redline E-mail Guide. All of the changes are either clear corrections or changes to reflect current practice (such as including the any ALT Advisor in the ALT or ALAC lists, and including key working group chairs in the ALAC list).
Alan
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participants (15)
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Alan Greenberg -
asoto＠ibero-americano.org -
DANIEL NANGHAKA -
Dev Anand Teelucksingh -
Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi -
Holly Raiche -
Humberto Carrasco -
Judith Hellerstein -
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía -
Maureen Hilyard -
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond -
Ricardo Holmquist -
Satish Babu -
Sergio Salinas Porto -
Seun Ojedeji