Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
OK, I just took the time to read a couple of the documents that will be discussed at the next ExComm meeting and have the following comments and encourage others to weigh in here (and READ some of the documents!). 1. It was never my intention to "put down" those individual members of the ExComm. What we have in the ExComm is a truly motivated bunch of people that keeps everything going with ALAC. Were they to disappear from the face of the earth, ALAC would be non-functional. 2. The Position Description for ALAC Members and ALAC Liaisons states, under Time Commitment and Working Practice, that minimum participation includes (among other things): * Participate actively in policy issues and other working groups. Each ALAC member is expected to help lead at least one working group composed of members of At-Large working on policy issues. A current listing of working group and the remit of each may be found at http://st.icann.org/working-groups. * Reading and commenting in At-Large's mailing lists and other communications media. The participation in WGs includes: Additionally, each ALAC member leads, co-leads, or participates in one or more working groups on policy issues, which will involve an additional average 10 hours per month in reading documents, drafting proposed responses, and attending teleconferences and participating in email and other electronic correspondence related to those working groups. OK, so in addition to having parameters set on numbers of meetings attended and votes acted on, we also have the above. Could the performance metrics that we get from staff not also include: - How many policy statements have each ALAC member drafted or participated in drafting? - Haw many WGs have they chaired or have given substantive input into? - Attendance at face to face meetings Frankly, I, too, have witnessed the trends of: - In Sydney, some ALAC members that swanned in late to meetings, missed ALAC meetings and left early. During the rest of the sessions, these ones were completely missing and did not attend. Great Facebook pages on what they ACTUALLY did there, though! - ALAC members who we NEVER hear from between the face to face meetings. They don't bring any kind of policy work to the table and hardly any comments on list (and WGs??? - never) 3. Unfortunately, the regions don't see this lack of effort at the face to face meetings and may not be tuned into the other things that I have brought up. These NEED to be included in performance indicators. 4. Check out the voting procedures for the new Board Liaison. I heavily support the new means that are being suggested to actively bring in the RALOs into this decision rather than leaving it all up to ALAC. Hey, people, our ALAC reps are supposed to be bringing forward the opinions of the RALOs and, as some are not, this is the way we have direct influence. 5. In Cairo, Cheryl really tried to address some of these issues but got slammed from someone from North America who is no longer with us. I would like that whole thing dusted off and implemented. So, while I am totally against this whole ExComm thing, perhaps we need to really do some serious spring cleaning so that we can ENABLE a strong ALAC. Just my two cents (after about two hours of reading). D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:39 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July At 14/07/2009 01:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
This whole ExComm thing needs to be put out of its misery. If a group of 15 cannot make timely decisions, then the whole structure of ALAC needs to be reconsidered. (as scary as that is)
Every time I post something asking for input and comments, I typically get one or two comments. From the rest of the committee, silence. And mostly from those members who comprise the evil ExCom (Adam being the one exception). If those who really care about ALAC and At-large were serious, there would be more action to get ALAC members to actually participate and not just criticize. Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
I am in total agreement with Darlene regarding the comments related to performance. We really need to have people helping the work to be done seriously. I do believe the bylaws structure works with the vice chairs + rapporteur and to have WG is the best way to have people participating. Problems start when members do not commit enough to bring opinions, suggestions, votes etc and lots of docs to be draft will not be posted in ALAC's name. As used to happen in the past. Excomm is, in my opinion, just a name and as Nick explained, the meetings are open and anyone can participate, as well as the agenda. The only issue is that it demands a lot from members, but I am open to have anyone committed with ALAC to participate, read all a papers before the meeting and bring their ideas and hard work to help. I could understand the energy against Excomm if Excomm was closed , with a secrecy agenda, but open, it is just another working group executing the activities described in our bylaws. You may complain that we push a little out of bylaws, when calling AFrica representative to join the chair, Vice chairs and rapporteur ,( acting as another vice chair) but it was just a matter of have a balance among regions, while we do not have a new geographic division in ICANN and may need to change our bylaws to better adapt to the new geographic framework. Again, the chair cannot work alone, we, as vice chair + rapporteur, we debate almost every day, including Saturdays and Sundays, we will continue to do so, independently of the name. Next call will be tomorrow 21 UTC, get the agenda and please join! Best to all Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464 -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:03 PM To: Alan Greenberg; ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July OK, I just took the time to read a couple of the documents that will be discussed at the next ExComm meeting and have the following comments and encourage others to weigh in here (and READ some of the documents!). 1. It was never my intention to "put down" those individual members of the ExComm. What we have in the ExComm is a truly motivated bunch of people that keeps everything going with ALAC. Were they to disappear from the face of the earth, ALAC would be non-functional. 2. The Position Description for ALAC Members and ALAC Liaisons states, under Time Commitment and Working Practice, that minimum participation includes (among other things): * Participate actively in policy issues and other working groups. Each ALAC member is expected to help lead at least one working group composed of members of At-Large working on policy issues. A current listing of working group and the remit of each may be found at http://st.icann.org/working-groups. * Reading and commenting in At-Large's mailing lists and other communications media. The participation in WGs includes: Additionally, each ALAC member leads, co-leads, or participates in one or more working groups on policy issues, which will involve an additional average 10 hours per month in reading documents, drafting proposed responses, and attending teleconferences and participating in email and other electronic correspondence related to those working groups. OK, so in addition to having parameters set on numbers of meetings attended and votes acted on, we also have the above. Could the performance metrics that we get from staff not also include: - How many policy statements have each ALAC member drafted or participated in drafting? - Haw many WGs have they chaired or have given substantive input into? - Attendance at face to face meetings Frankly, I, too, have witnessed the trends of: - In Sydney, some ALAC members that swanned in late to meetings, missed ALAC meetings and left early. During the rest of the sessions, these ones were completely missing and did not attend. Great Facebook pages on what they ACTUALLY did there, though! - ALAC members who we NEVER hear from between the face to face meetings. They don't bring any kind of policy work to the table and hardly any comments on list (and WGs??? - never) 3. Unfortunately, the regions don't see this lack of effort at the face to face meetings and may not be tuned into the other things that I have brought up. These NEED to be included in performance indicators. 4. Check out the voting procedures for the new Board Liaison. I heavily support the new means that are being suggested to actively bring in the RALOs into this decision rather than leaving it all up to ALAC. Hey, people, our ALAC reps are supposed to be bringing forward the opinions of the RALOs and, as some are not, this is the way we have direct influence. 5. In Cairo, Cheryl really tried to address some of these issues but got slammed from someone from North America who is no longer with us. I would like that whole thing dusted off and implemented. So, while I am totally against this whole ExComm thing, perhaps we need to really do some serious spring cleaning so that we can ENABLE a strong ALAC. Just my two cents (after about two hours of reading). D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:39 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July At 14/07/2009 01:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
This whole ExComm thing needs to be put out of its misery. If a group of 15 cannot make timely decisions, then the whole structure of ALAC needs to be reconsidered. (as scary as that is)
Every time I post something asking for input and comments, I typically get one or two comments. From the rest of the committee, silence. And mostly from those members who comprise the evil ExCom (Adam being the one exception). If those who really care about ALAC and At-large were serious, there would be more action to get ALAC members to actually participate and not just criticize. Alan _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
Dear Vanda. If you say: "I could understand the energy against Excomm if Excomm was closed , with a secrecy agenda, but open, it is just another working group executing the activities described in our bylaws." I wonder why is the motivation to support an Ex Comm?, why not a WG where all ALAC members can participate in equal conditions? On the other side: Whole ALAC, is an Ex Comm of the At Large Community, why an EX Comm inside to another Ex Comm ? what is the idea, more than solve urgent cases (which could be solved by Chair or Vice Chair) ? . Another Question: Why EX Comm is currently formed by Nom Comm appointees, and no by RALO representatives?, Nom Comm appointees are better user representatives than RALO representatives? I don`t think so. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: vanda@uol.com.br To: DThompson@GOV.NU.CA; alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca; alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:26:14 -0300 Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
I am in total agreement with Darlene regarding the comments related to performance. We really need to have people helping the work to be done seriously. I do believe the bylaws structure works with the vice chairs + rapporteur and to have WG is the best way to have people participating. Problems start when members do not commit enough to bring opinions, suggestions, votes etc and lots of docs to be draft will not be posted in ALAC's name. As used to happen in the past.
Excomm is, in my opinion, just a name and as Nick explained, the meetings are open and anyone can participate, as well as the agenda. The only issue is that it demands a lot from members, but I am open to have anyone committed with ALAC to participate, read all a papers before the meeting and bring their ideas and hard work to help.
You may complain that we push a little out of bylaws, when calling AFrica representative to join the chair, Vice chairs and rapporteur ,( acting as another vice chair) but it was just a matter of have a balance among regions, while we do not have a new geographic division in ICANN and may need to change our bylaws to better adapt to the new geographic framework. Again, the chair cannot work alone, we, as vice chair + rapporteur, we debate almost every day, including Saturdays and Sundays, we will continue to do so, independently of the name. Next call will be tomorrow 21 UTC, get the agenda and please join! Best to all
Vanda Scartezini POLO Consultores Associados & IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 cjs 1407/8 01418-903 Sao Paulo,SP. Fone + 55 11 3266.6253 Mob + 5511 8181.1464
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thompson, Darlene Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:03 PM To: Alan Greenberg; ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
OK,
I just took the time to read a couple of the documents that will be discussed at the next ExComm meeting and have the following comments and encourage others to weigh in here (and READ some of the documents!).
1. It was never my intention to "put down" those individual members of the ExComm. What we have in the ExComm is a truly motivated bunch of people that keeps everything going with ALAC. Were they to disappear from the face of the earth, ALAC would be non-functional.
2. The Position Description for ALAC Members and ALAC Liaisons states, under Time Commitment and Working Practice, that minimum participation includes (among other things):
* Participate actively in policy issues and other working groups. Each ALAC member is expected to help lead at least one working group composed of members of At-Large working on policy issues. A current listing of working group and the remit of each may be found at http://st.icann.org/working-groups.
* Reading and commenting in At-Large's mailing lists and other communications media.
The participation in WGs includes: Additionally, each ALAC member leads, co-leads, or participates in one or more working groups on policy issues, which will involve an additional average 10 hours per month in reading documents, drafting proposed responses, and attending teleconferences and participating in email and other electronic correspondence related to those working groups.
OK, so in addition to having parameters set on numbers of meetings attended and votes acted on, we also have the above. Could the performance metrics that we get from staff not also include:
- How many policy statements have each ALAC member drafted or participated in drafting? - Haw many WGs have they chaired or have given substantive input into? - Attendance at face to face meetings
Frankly, I, too, have witnessed the trends of:
- In Sydney, some ALAC members that swanned in late to meetings, missed ALAC meetings and left early. During the rest of the sessions, these ones were completely missing and did not attend. Great Facebook pages on what they ACTUALLY did there, though! - ALAC members who we NEVER hear from between the face to face meetings. They don't bring any kind of policy work to the table and hardly any comments on list (and WGs??? - never)
3. Unfortunately, the regions don't see this lack of effort at the face to face meetings and may not be tuned into the other things that I have brought up. These NEED to be included in performance indicators.
4. Check out the voting procedures for the new Board Liaison. I heavily support the new means that are being suggested to actively bring in the RALOs into this decision rather than leaving it all up to ALAC. Hey, people, our ALAC reps are supposed to be bringing forward the opinions of the RALOs and, as some are not, this is the way we have direct influence.
5. In Cairo, Cheryl really tried to address some of these issues but got slammed from someone from North America who is no longer with us. I would like that whole thing dusted off and implemented.
So, while I am totally against this whole ExComm thing, perhaps we need to really do some serious spring cleaning so that we can ENABLE a strong ALAC.
Just my two cents (after about two hours of reading).
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:39 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
At 14/07/2009 01:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
This whole ExComm thing needs to be put out of its misery. If a group of 15 cannot make timely decisions, then the whole structure of ALAC needs to be reconsidered. (as scary as that is)
Every time I post something asking for input and comments, I typically get one or two comments. From the rest of the committee, silence. And mostly from those members who comprise the evil ExCom (Adam being the one exception).
If those who really care about ALAC and At-large were serious, there would be more action to get ALAC members to actually participate and not just criticize.
Alan
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