Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
Dear Alan. As I said, when talking with you, in Sidney. In relation with performance guidelines, I believe is neccesary to make a new rule (maybe a rule 21 bis) where we say the less as possible, because everybody knows what are his/her obligations. and make a new rule with a clear process. I insist with my work presented in Paris, and perhaps a previous step of dialogue with the "member in fault" .- Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:24:01 -0400 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
The issue of performance guidelines, which based on discussions prior to and in Sydney led to the clear need for a Job Description, all falls on my plate.
Knowing that I would be rather busy with other matters for a few weeks after Sydney, and that Cheryl would be out of commission for a while, we asked staff to do the first draft of a job description. You alluded to the last performance paper that crashed and burnt - I most definitely did not want that to happen to this new document, so it seemed wise for someone other than staff to look at it before opening full comments. THAT is why it was on the agenda. How would you have done it differently?
I really would like someone to define "get rid of the ExCom". Does that mean you don't want Vice-Chairs. Or don't want them working with and talking to the Chair. Do you want the Chair to have sole responsibility for Chair matters, rather than talking things through with a representative of each region. Or do you want all of that to happen, but just not have the title ExCom. What is it you really want. No buzzwords - please be clear and succinct.
Alan
At 14/07/2009 03:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Wow!
Yes, I have to agree with this and I can certainly understand your exasperation, Alan. I *do* care about ALAC and At-Large. So, what can I do to change things? I'm not on the ALAC so am rather looking in from the outside.
However, as soon as the whole ExComm thing came up, there was substantial push-back on it that seemed to me to be ignored.
Please, if ALAC people think that they "deserve" travel funding, then they also should be "required" to participate. I can say this as being from the only region that has required our ALAC reps to perform and has cleaned house at least once.
We need to strengthen those job descriptions (as Evan mentioned) to also have an "or else" clause. Also, yes, we definitely need to see those performance indicators at regular intervals (not just for ALAC but also for the Chairs and Secretariats). However, the numbers often just don't show what Alan is mentioning. If any ALAC member asks for input and comments and is only responded to by the same people, that is more of a judgment call (not shown in the numbers) but this somehow needs to be reported back to the regions (I'm not sure how). There was talk around ALAC to incorporate various performance indicators back in Cairo but for reasons that I will keep off-list, it crashed and burned. We need to go back to this, strengthen our ALAC, get rid of the chaff that is not performing and get rid of the ExComm.
I hate the thought of the Chairs and Secretariats being the ex-officio "police" for this sort of thing but the regions really do need to weigh in here as well as the ALAC itself. Again, I'm not sure how this should be done but something needs to change.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:39 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
At 14/07/2009 01:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
This whole ExComm thing needs to be put out of its misery. If a group of 15 cannot make timely decisions, then the whole structure of ALAC needs to be reconsidered. (as scary as that is)
Every time I post something asking for input and comments, I typically get one or two comments. From the rest of the committee, silence. And mostly from those members who comprise the evil ExCom (Adam being the one exception).
If those who really care about ALAC and At-large were serious, there would be more action to get ALAC members to actually participate and not just criticize.
Alan
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I have no intention in engaging with this "debate" on nomencalture or for that matter the current practice of how ALAC (not RALO or ALS work) but ALAC work can be tracked and ensured to properly progress by Volunteers between Monthly Meetings and ensures equitable Regional input... But I will demand that if your going to make statements let alone the less than implied criticism to volunteers=> do get your facts right if you go to http://www.icann.org/en/committees/alac/ and look at My entry Cheryl Langdon-Orr <http://www.icann.org/committees/alac/langdon-orr.html>5<http://www.icann.org/en/committees/alac/#foot5> (Australia) you will note the superscript 5 which means=> 5Member elected by the APRALO, March 2007, for staggered terms. And try and REMEMBER the 15 person ALAC votes for the Chair, Vice Chairs and Rapporteur (nominally an Executive of the Committee, in any dictionary or thesaurus I use, though happy to here another term that YOU find palatable) and AFRALO appointed their representative to meet the Regional Balance aim when the "ExCom" motion was called for and passed earlier this year... I assume that such an electoral / appointment hybrid process is one of Merit and not one biased from whence we came, or effected by any other bias... FYI this group currently has at least a 2 x work load over the other 2/3rds of the ALAC just in terms of their mandatory meeting but various alternatives obviously exist, and do go hand in hand with performance criteria of whatever type you decide on... Even doubling the number of mandatory ALAC Meeting per month for all would work... CLO 2009/7/15 carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
Dear Alan.
As I said, when talking with you, in Sidney.
In relation with performance guidelines, I believe is neccesary to make a new rule (maybe a rule 21 bis) where we say the less as possible, because everybody knows what are his/her obligations.
and make a new rule with a clear process.
I insist with my work presented in Paris, and perhaps a previous step of dialogue with the "member in fault" .-
Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:24:01 -0400 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
The issue of performance guidelines, which based on discussions prior to and in Sydney led to the clear need for a Job Description, all falls on my plate.
Knowing that I would be rather busy with other matters for a few weeks after Sydney, and that Cheryl would be out of commission for a while, we asked staff to do the first draft of a job description. You alluded to the last performance paper that crashed and burnt - I most definitely did not want that to happen to this new document, so it seemed wise for someone other than staff to look at it before opening full comments. THAT is why it was on the agenda. How would you have done it differently?
I really would like someone to define "get rid of the ExCom". Does that mean you don't want Vice-Chairs. Or don't want them working with and talking to the Chair. Do you want the Chair to have sole responsibility for Chair matters, rather than talking things through with a representative of each region. Or do you want all of that to happen, but just not have the title ExCom. What is it you really want. No buzzwords - please be clear and succinct.
Alan
At 14/07/2009 03:22 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Wow!
Yes, I have to agree with this and I can certainly understand your exasperation, Alan. I *do* care about ALAC and At-Large. So, what can I do to change things? I'm not on the ALAC so am rather looking in from the outside.
However, as soon as the whole ExComm thing came up, there was substantial push-back on it that seemed to me to be ignored.
Please, if ALAC people think that they "deserve" travel funding, then they also should be "required" to participate. I can say this as being from the only region that has required our ALAC reps to perform and has cleaned house at least once.
We need to strengthen those job descriptions (as Evan mentioned) to also have an "or else" clause. Also, yes, we definitely need to see those performance indicators at regular intervals (not just for ALAC but also for the Chairs and Secretariats). However, the numbers often just don't show what Alan is mentioning. If any ALAC member asks for input and comments and is only responded to by the same people, that is more of a judgment call (not shown in the numbers) but this somehow needs to be reported back to the regions (I'm not sure how). There was talk around ALAC to incorporate various performance indicators back in Cairo but for reasons that I will keep off-list, it crashed and burned. We need to go back to this, strengthen our ALAC, get rid of the chaff that is not performing and get rid of the ExComm.
I hate the thought of the Chairs and Secretariats being the ex-officio "police" for this sort of thing but the regions really do need to weigh in here as well as the ALAC itself. Again, I'm not sure how this should be done but something needs to change.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:39 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: Re: [ALAC] Draft Agenda for ALAC ExCom meeting of 15th July
At 14/07/2009 01:21 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
This whole ExComm thing needs to be put out of its misery. If a group of 15 cannot make timely decisions, then the whole structure of ALAC needs to be reconsidered. (as scary as that is)
Every time I post something asking for input and comments, I typically get one or two comments. From the rest of the committee, silence. And mostly from those members who comprise the evil ExCom (Adam being the one exception).
If those who really care about ALAC and At-large were serious, there would be more action to get ALAC members to actually participate and not just criticize.
Alan
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