Re: [APAC-Discuss] [Fwd: RE: NomCom 2008 Position]
Agree with Izumi's comments. Bilal -----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:38 AM To: rajnesh@pacificit.org Cc: Asia-Pacific Discuss Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [Fwd: RE: NomCom 2008 Position] In summary, I am OK with all THREE candidates, even though each seemed to have some minor process questions. I agree with Siavash and also Cheryl that NomCom position is not "representative of ALS", thus Siavash is perfect for candidate from ALAC to NomCom. If this NomCom members are also representative of RALO and hence from ALS, the very reason why we have NomCom becomes undermined. The intentionally setup NomCom outside the representation mechanism to keep sort of neutrality and wider governance in my understanding. I also like to remind that the final body to recommend the NomCom members is ALAC, not RALOs, globaly. So APRAL can make recommendations to ALAC, but we are not in the postion to make the FINAL decision. So, I woudl agree with Cheryl who just sent the list her suggestion to send all three candidates. Thanks, izumi 2007/8/23, Rajnesh D. Singh <rajnesh@pacificit.org>:
Note the following re: Nirmol's nomination.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:59:51 +0800 From: Christopher To <christopher@hkiac.org> To: <rajnesh@pacificit.org> CC: Gary Soo <email@garysoochambers.hk> References: <46CBE1AB.9080503@pacificit.org>
Rajnesh,
The HKIF supports Nirmol Agarwal on this matter.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Christopher
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*From:* apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rajnesh D. Singh *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:12 PM *To:* Asia-Pacific Discuss *Subject:* [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position
Colleagues,
The deadline for nominations has closed.
We have 3 candidates nominated thus far, summarised below.
**CANDIDATE**
**NOMINATED BY**
**ALS**
**NOMINATION DATE**
Nirmol Agarwal (ISVK)
ISVK-India /
ISVK-India /
14th August 2007
Siavash Shahshahani (No ALS)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr /
Bilal Beiram
ISOC-AU /
AKMS
15th August 2007
Karaitiana Taiuru (New Zealand Maori Internet Society)
New Zealand Maori Internet Society / Franck Martin
New Zealand Maori Internet Society /
15th August 2007
Out of the above 3 candidates, 2 were self-nominations (Nirmol and Karaitiana). Siavash has not indicated to the list that he has
accepted
the nomination.
At the Bali Meeting earlier this year, there was general consensus that APRALO roles and functions would be handled by members from within ALS'. If there was no interest from within ALS' then such roles and functions could be offered to persons outside the ALS'. In this instance we have 2 persons representing ALS' interested in the position, and 1 person nominated from outside the APRALO ALS'.
If we stick to the consensus agreed to in Bali, then our preference must be between Nirmol and Karaitiana.
I now seek your guidance on reaching consensus on our candidate nomination. The other options are to offer both candidates to ALAC and let them pick one, or we vote and decide. Note that we need to reach this decision by the end of this coming weekend.
I look forward to your input.
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dear all, I quite disagree with the explantion forwarded by Izumi. I dont understand why any one will be partial. What makes anyone think that a memeber of APRALO will be impartial. In that case it can be agrued that a non member would not as much be interested in the affairs as would a member be (no offence to Siavash). I think the explanation was totally uncalled for, taking into account the healthy functioning of the organisation so far. I think all of us have organised ourself into this organisation for a noble purpose and biases should not be interpreted unless they are capable of being substantiated, afterall APRALO, ALAC and ICANN have one objective in mind the development of healthy and futuristic policies for the benefit of the 'registered name holder' and the end user and any one capable of helping this objective is equal to another. No intention to be offensive to anyone but i think the mail was not in the spirit of consensus and hormony. God bless Nirmol ISVK India "Bilal S. Beirm" <bbeirm@tagorg.com> wrote: Agree with Izumi's comments. Bilal -----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:38 AM To: rajnesh@pacificit.org Cc: Asia-Pacific Discuss Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [Fwd: RE: NomCom 2008 Position] In summary, I am OK with all THREE candidates, even though each seemed to have some minor process questions. I agree with Siavash and also Cheryl that NomCom position is not "representative of ALS", thus Siavash is perfect for candidate from ALAC to NomCom. If this NomCom members are also representative of RALO and hence from ALS, the very reason why we have NomCom becomes undermined. The intentionally setup NomCom outside the representation mechanism to keep sort of neutrality and wider governance in my understanding. I also like to remind that the final body to recommend the NomCom members is ALAC, not RALOs, globaly. So APRAL can make recommendations to ALAC, but we are not in the postion to make the FINAL decision. So, I woudl agree with Cheryl who just sent the list her suggestion to send all three candidates. Thanks, izumi 2007/8/23, Rajnesh D. Singh :
Note the following re: Nirmol's nomination.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:59:51 +0800 From: Christopher To To: CC: Gary Soo References: <46CBE1AB.9080503@pacificit.org>
Rajnesh,
The HKIF supports Nirmol Agarwal on this matter.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Christopher
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*From:* apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Rajnesh D. Singh *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:12 PM *To:* Asia-Pacific Discuss *Subject:* [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position
Colleagues,
The deadline for nominations has closed.
We have 3 candidates nominated thus far, summarised below.
**CANDIDATE**
**NOMINATED BY**
**ALS**
**NOMINATION DATE**
Nirmol Agarwal (ISVK)
ISVK-India /
ISVK-India /
14th August 2007
Siavash Shahshahani (No ALS)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr /
Bilal Beiram
ISOC-AU /
AKMS
15th August 2007
Karaitiana Taiuru (New Zealand Maori Internet Society)
New Zealand Maori Internet Society / Franck Martin
New Zealand Maori Internet Society /
15th August 2007
Out of the above 3 candidates, 2 were self-nominations (Nirmol and Karaitiana). Siavash has not indicated to the list that he has
accepted
the nomination.
At the Bali Meeting earlier this year, there was general consensus that APRALO roles and functions would be handled by members from within ALS'. If there was no interest from within ALS' then such roles and functions could be offered to persons outside the ALS'. In this instance we have 2 persons representing ALS' interested in the position, and 1 person nominated from outside the APRALO ALS'.
If we stick to the consensus agreed to in Bali, then our preference must be between Nirmol and Karaitiana.
I now seek your guidance on reaching consensus on our candidate nomination. The other options are to offer both candidates to ALAC and let them pick one, or we vote and decide. Note that we need to reach this decision by the end of this coming weekend.
I look forward to your input.
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Dear all, I didn't realize my posting was bounced - maybe usgin gmail with my original address was the reason... in that case, Rajnesh, could you kindly forward this to the list? And, as for what Nirmol wrote, honestly I could not understand why exactly you could not agree with the explanation I wrote. I did not write, or intended to say that anyone is partial. I think and I thought each one is equally good including Siavash who is not a member himself, but nominated by a member of APRALO and seconded. I would appreciate if someone, either NIrmol himsel and/or someone who could understand what he wrote could explain that to me. I do not see any "bias" in my own message or any other so far except putting Siavash outside the candidate. I might be wrong, and I am open and willing to know if that's the case. Thanks, izumi 2007/8/23, nirmol xxxx <nirmol@atensassociates.com>:
dear all,
I quite disagree with the explantion forwarded by Izumi.
I dont understand why any one will be partial. What makes anyone think that a memeber of APRALO will be impartial. In that case it can be agrued that a non member would not as much be interested in the affairs as would a member be (no offence to Siavash).
I think the explanation was totally uncalled for, taking into account the healthy functioning of the organisation so far.
I think all of us have organised ourself into this organisation for a noble purpose and biases should not be interpreted unless they are capable of being substantiated, afterall APRALO, ALAC and ICANN have one objective in mind the development of healthy and futuristic policies for the benefit of the 'registered name holder' and the end user and any one capable of helping this objective is equal to another.
No intention to be offensive to anyone but i think the mail was not in the spirit of consensus and hormony.
God bless Nirmol ISVK India
"Bilal S. Beirm" <bbeirm@tagorg.com> wrote: Agree with Izumi's comments.
Bilal -----Original Message----- From: apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 2:38 AM To: rajnesh@pacificit.org Cc: Asia-Pacific Discuss Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [Fwd: RE: NomCom 2008 Position]
In summary, I am OK with all THREE candidates, even though each seemed to have some minor process questions.
I agree with Siavash and also Cheryl that NomCom position is not "representative of ALS", thus Siavash is perfect for candidate from ALAC to NomCom.
If this NomCom members are also representative of RALO and hence from ALS, the very reason why we have NomCom becomes undermined. The intentionally setup NomCom outside the representation mechanism to keep sort of neutrality and wider governance in my understanding.
I also like to remind that the final body to recommend the NomCom members is ALAC, not RALOs, globaly. So APRAL can make recommendations to ALAC, but we are not in the postion to make the FINAL decision.
So, I woudl agree with Cheryl who just sent the list her suggestion to send all three candidates.
Thanks,
izumi
2007/8/23, Rajnesh D. Singh :
Note the following re: Nirmol's nomination.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:59:51 +0800 From: Christopher To To: CC: Gary Soo References: <46CBE1AB.9080503@pacificit.org>
Rajnesh,
The HKIF supports Nirmol Agarwal on this matter.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Christopher
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*From:* apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *On
Behalf Of
*Rajnesh D. Singh *Sent:* Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:12 PM *To:* Asia-Pacific Discuss *Subject:* [APAC-Discuss] NomCom 2008 Position
Colleagues,
The deadline for nominations has closed.
We have 3 candidates nominated thus far, summarised below.
**CANDIDATE**
**NOMINATED BY**
**ALS**
**NOMINATION DATE**
Nirmol Agarwal (ISVK)
ISVK-India /
ISVK-India /
14th August 2007
Siavash Shahshahani (No ALS)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr /
Bilal Beiram
ISOC-AU /
AKMS
15th August 2007
Karaitiana Taiuru (New Zealand Maori Internet Society)
New Zealand Maori Internet Society / Franck Martin
New Zealand Maori Internet Society /
15th August 2007
Out of the above 3 candidates, 2 were self-nominations (Nirmol and Karaitiana). Siavash has not indicated to the list that he has accepted the nomination.
At the Bali Meeting earlier this year, there was general consensus that APRALO roles and functions would be handled by members from within ALS'. If there was no interest from within ALS' then such roles and functions could be offered to persons outside the ALS'. In this instance we have 2 persons representing ALS' interested in the position, and 1 person nominated from outside the APRALO ALS'.
If we stick to the consensus agreed to in Bali, then our preference must be between Nirmol and Karaitiana.
I now seek your guidance on reaching consensus on our candidate nomination. The other options are to offer both candidates to ALAC and let them pick one, or we vote and decide. Note that we need to reach this decision by the end of this coming weekend.
I look forward to your input.
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nirmol xxxx