Dear Wendy. all As a fresh arrived person in this side of the debate, I guess we could benefit with a broader debate about the issue. I see good points in both models but I believe we just get positive results from any debate if we have clear focus and clear rules about how to behavior and how to contribute. The summit may be a good idea if very well planned. Since we have to deal with different regions and cultures, to end with a summit I would suggest to go by steps: Define the focus- the main question we want to see answered; Define de modus operandi ( I believe we need a teleconference inside regions to get feedback from each region) – final position paper from each region Select representatives for the summit – define rules about representativeness Set up the summit – invite independent persons to contribute with fresh ideas and let’s them to defend their ideas facing the representatives – then, getting papers ideas+ fresh ideas + debate, we can get out with a consistent and wide definition of bottom up and/or other issues we may include to strength the concept. My 2 cents Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Wendy Seltzer Enviada em: sexta-feira, 5 de outubro de 2007 06:34 Para: Robert Guerra Cc: At-Large Worldwide Assunto: Re: [At-Large] What is a bottom -up process Thanks Robert, I agree we need to address what "bottom-up" means, and to square the reasonable expectations of at-large's individual Internet users with those of ICANN. Especially on budgeting and staffing matters, At-Large is often pulled both ways -- blamed for costing ICANN thousands of dollars, but given no control over the allocation of that funding or staff attention to matters of concern to its users or data-gathering. While in Frankfurt, I've had the chance to talk with board members and staff alike who suggest that these are more problems of misunderstanding than bad intention -- so let's arrange some meetings in LA to discuss how we can work more collaboratively between the "bottom" and "top." I'd particularly like to push forward discussion of an at-large summit, since that's proposed as an opportunity for individuals and their groups' representatives to discuss ICANN matters of concern across regional borders. --Wendy Robert Guerra wrote:
There's been some discussion about bottom-up processes and how they
are done both at ICANN and elsewhere.
Activists, Civil Society and/or NGO's tend to have a far broader
interpretation of bottom-up consultation processes. Ongoing
communication, engagement and attempt at consensus is one model -
imposing a process and outcome a-priori is another model.
Where does ALAC stand? Does it agree with the staff position or does
it instead favor those put forward by CIRA, NCUC and others ?
ref:
It seems to me that public statements from ICANN - both at meetings
and on several lists - seem to indicate that there's a bit of a gulf
between how ICANN and ALAC. But, that' just my reading of the
situation. Perhaps i'm wrong .. ?
Instead of getting into a debate about how things have, or not , been
done in the past - let me suggest we address the issue head on at our
upcoming LA ALAC meeting.
regards,
Robert
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Managing Director, Privaterra
Tel +1 416 893 0377
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