May I ask under which legal order ICANNN74 is organised? A waiver makes sense ... nobody knows the risks ... but a duty of care of ICANN is a must. ERich SCHWEIGHOFER Erich ao. Univ.-Prof. (UniWien, Rechtsinformatik, Europarecht, Internationales Multistakeholderrecht) Mag. rer.soc.oec. Dr. iur. Dr. rer.soc.oec. Lg.IntStud (freigestellt für die Europäische Kommission, Rue de la Loi 130, 1040 Brussel BE, erich.schweighofer@ec.europa.eu, Tel. +32 2 29 52283) Rechtsinformatik an der Uni-Wien Sprecher des Vorstands der ARI Arbeitsgruppe Rechtsinformatik, Juridicum, Universität Wien Vorsitz: iris-conferences.eu Präsident: WZRI LII-Austria CEILI RI@ ADRI Institut für Europarecht, Internationales Recht und Rechtsvergleichung (auch Abteilung für Völkerrecht), Schottenbastei 10-16/2/5, Zi. 546, 1010 Wien AT, Tel. +43 1 4277 35305 (Anrufbeantworter) https://rechtsinformatik.univie.ac.at, https://rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY, https://iris-conferences.eu, https://wzri.eu office@rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY; office@iris-conferences.eu; rechtsinformatik@univie.ac.at; Erich.Schweighofer@univie.ac.at Bitte um Teilnahme und Beiträge: IRI§22 https://iris-conferences.eu, Frühlingssemester: Event Rechtslogik in der Praxis Do 31.03.22, 16-19 Uhr (gemeinsam mit ReMeP) Jusletter IT http://jusletter-it.eu Schriftenreihe Arbeitsgruppe Rechtsinformatik, rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY & IRIS-Journal: https://irisj.eu PHAIDRA ________________________________________ Von: At-Large [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] im Auftrag von Holly Raiche via At-Large [at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. April 2022 02:44 An: Glenn McKnight Cc: At Large Betreff: Re: [At-Large] info on waiver to attend ICANN74I Hi Glan You and Roberto are quite correct. No self respecting Court would let ICANN get away with negligence. It’s getting the matter to a Court that worries me. If ICANN simply chooses to deny liability, it would be an expensive and time consuming proposition to get them into a court - or even mediation. Maybe - at the least - express concern to ICANN??? Holly On Apr 28, 2022, at 6:53 AM, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Hi As pointed out that ICANN has always been super cautious and legalistic( sometimes to a fault) curious if other events IETF, ARIN etc has adopted such 'protect my ass" approach to an event. On the other hand, waivers doesn't protect those that perpetuate negligence, you can't do blanket waivers as Roberto indicated. Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 at 16:38, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: The important thing to note is that the US is a litigious nation and it is within ICANN's purview to create waiver forms for its events otherwise it would not be able to host a physical event. For those who don't like it, they can participate virtually or wear immunity suits.....lol On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:33 PM Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Thanks Marita. One sentence - among others - is particularly puzzling to me: I knowingly and freely assume all risks related to illness and infectious diseases, including but not limited to COVID-19, even if arising from the negligence or fault of ICANN This means to me that I acknowledge that ICANN has the right to be negligent. I have to confess that sometimes in the past I have thought that this was ICANN’s approach, but it is the first time that I see it in writing. I wonder whether this is a sort of friendly advice to participate online and avoid showing up in person in the Hague. Cheers, Roberto On 27.04.2022, at 22:09, Marita Moll via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Dear colleagues. If you are planning to attend ICANN74, please note that you will be required to sign a very broadly worded waiver that goes well beyond any issues related to the pandemic. You can read the waiver here: https://www.internetnews.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ICANN-waiver.pdf Several registrars have asked that this requirement be dropped https://domainincite.com/27793-icanns-covid-19-waiver-formally-appealed. Michele Neylon, Managing Director of Blacknight Solutions, seeking legal advice on behalf of himself and staff, was advised that neither he nor his staff should sign a waiver granting ICANN blanket exclusion of liability. https://blacknight.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/blacknight-ICANN-April-20... . It is an unsettling way to begin what was looking like a new beginning after so many hours at virtual public meetings. I have attended more public meetings in my life than I could ever count, and have never been asked to sign such an extensive waiver. I would be interested to know if others have ever encountered this. 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