Izumi, indeed, this is bizarre. As Mohammed recently pointed out, >there no need for another vote inorder to announce our already finished elections< . The opposite is the case, there is the duty to announce the result right after closing the vote. I would like to quote Carlos:
As a lawyer I must say that this situation represents a legal barbarism. This situation is not generated so that somebody has motioned and some other has supported those motions. *This situation takes place because somebody decided without consulting the retardation in presenting the result the election.* lamentably for outside this one sees as a manipulation and really shows a situationat least untidy. In my country would be a serious illegal situation. I really believe that there are no unfortunate coincidences. sorry but in this kind of cases I can`t be diplomatic.
I think that makes the situation absolutely clear. Apart from that, a few days ago I already counted at least 8 ALAC members asking for announcing the results of the vote, including you now there are at least 9 members out of 15. There is no doubt, there is no need to spend more time (neither online nor a the telconf) on that issue: the vote has to be announced immediately. If not, this not only looks like manipulation. Best greetings Annette Izumi AIZU schrieb:
I did not see Jaqueline's emergency, sorry about that. And Jose's absence. But then we need someone else other than the staff who seems to be the only one already knows the result of the secret vote, have the technical power to setup the vote. Nick, you did not reply to my meta-question if you already know the result. And I repeat if you do, you should really refrain from making any intervention.
I propose that we discuss and decide at the next conference call on wheter another vote is necesarry or not, and, if we agree with one proposal just to announce the result, then we will meet the 13th deadline, no problem.
As for the procedure, after two proposals were on the table, both seconded, the very person whod wanted one proposal withdrew the request to the vote, another person who never showed up said nothing,
I took it as the situation changed, and thought one proposal is no lonter on the table. So there is no need to vote. I saw several people agreed with that in essence, no one insisted to vote to allow extended vote for the two. Then Nick said to vote. So I said no.
That is my summary.
If we still need to vote, we need another propsal for the changed situation. Is there anyone still want to let the remaining silent one to vote?
I was misled, by the following phrase by Nick.
"If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
But in any case, the situation has changed and I see no need to vote. Especially, in the absence of agreed ROP and Chair and Vice Chair...
I still think the overall situation is quite bizzare. But in any case let's decided at the conference call.
izumi
2007/9/8, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
And actually Jacqueline wasn't the first or the only person to propose it; she simply was making the point that a valid proposal to extend the vote had been received and seconded, as well as the contrary proposal, and asked for a vote.
On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:08, Bret Fausett wrote:
Izumi, I agree that voting on whether to extend the vote is a terrible idea, but if you look back over the email messages, you'll see it was proposed by Jacqueline, not Nick. The idea that the ALAC staff follows the Chair's lead is a feature.
On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other. _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
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