Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos, I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer. best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Dear Carlos, I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer. best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: ] USA Tel: Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now. sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure. thanks, izumi 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
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----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
-- Regards,
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order. My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on BigPulse last night, which once again are: 1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so? 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be announced forthwith The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote Saturday). I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that sentiment....) -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now. sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure. thanks, izumi 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
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----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other. And as you wrote "If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with." which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much move on this. I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing is becoming bazaar. One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which, I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry. If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it will become more questionable. Jacqueline, it's your turn. izumi 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on BigPulse last night, which once again are:
1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so? 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be announced forthwith
The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote Saturday).
I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that sentiment....)
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now.
sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure.
thanks,
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
-- Regards,
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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As mentioned, Jacqueline is unavailable due to a family emergency, and Jose is on holiday until the 13th. Quite possibly you didn't see this announcement before my immediately subsequent email to which you replied. She will therefore only sporadically reply according to the email she sent late yesterday. As to guiding or not guiding, I am afraid that I do have an obligation to help to ensure that the Committee has good advice on matters such as procedures governing meetings, voting etc. Members are of course free to take on board these points, or not. As has always been said by me, and I'm sure Izumi that you would agree, it is much better if I can intervene as little as possible, and one of the benefits of having a vote on the Rules of Procedure (which I hope is soon) is that everyone will then operate in complete certainty and any interventions which I might make of that nature could simply refer you directly to the provision in question. (I take your point that I could and should have elaborated in the previous email, when I noted that the sponsors could withdraw a measure, that the exception to that is when voting is underway.) As to your suggestion that I not 'dictate' I can only assume that this is a difference in the use of written english between a native and a non-native speaker perhaps, since I'm sure you'd agree that I haven't ever dictated to you, nor would I be in a position to order you around. Do you really find the current situation bizarre? From where I'm sitting it looks like a rather unfortunate convergence of procedural motions being voted on, combined with the sudden absence of the Chair to oversee the process. That, to me, is unfortunate (and perhaps leads to dreary emails like this chain) but doesn't seem bizarre to me... Perhaps I've simply sat through too many intergovernmental and international meetings, and now nothing seems bizarre to me anymore ;) It does strike me, however, that this entire situation could have been prevented if the ROPs had been voted on in advance of the ALAC Liaison vote - all of these questions would not be occurring. This is unfortunate of course and I trust that the Members will shortly deal with that situation. To add to the procedural dreariness, the Committee will need to pick an interim Chair through the 13th - Jacqueline may be able to attend the telephonic meeting but I am not certain at this point from her email. I will ring her over the weekend to find out. -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:09:21 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other. And as you wrote "If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with." which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much move on this. I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing is becoming bazaar. One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which, I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry. If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it will become more questionable. Jacqueline, it's your turn. izumi 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on BigPulse last night, which once again are:
1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so? 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be announced forthwith
The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote Saturday).
I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that sentiment....)
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----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now.
sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure.
thanks,
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
-- Regards,
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----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Izumi, 'bizarre' is too kind of a word for this situation. I agree 100% with what you wrote. Siavash
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
And as you wrote
"If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much move on this.
I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing is becoming bazaar.
One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which, I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry. If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it will become more questionable.
Jacqueline, it's your turn.
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on BigPulse last night, which once again are:
1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so? 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be announced forthwith
The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote Saturday).
I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that sentiment....)
-- Regards,
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----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now.
sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure.
thanks,
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now)
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----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
> I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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As a lawyer I must say that this situation represents a legal barbarism. This situation is not generated so that somebody has motioned and some other has supported those motions. This situation takes place because somebody decided without consulting the retardation in presenting the result the election. lamentably for outside this one sees as a manipulation and really shows a situation at least untidy. In my country would be a serious illegal situation. I really believe that there are no unfortunate coincidences. sorry but in this kind of cases I can`t be diplomatic. Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -* / 423-5423www.sitioderecho.com.arwww.densi.com.ar > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:32:03 +0330> From: shahshah@irnic.ir> To: iza@anr.org> CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?> > Izumi, 'bizarre' is too kind of a word for this situation. I agree 100%> with what you wrote.> Siavash> > > Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would> > request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you,> > please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.> >> > And as you wrote> >> > "If the sponsors of these proposals were> > to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."> >> > which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit> > set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good> > faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva> > and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much> > move on this.> >> > I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing> > is becoming bazaar.> >> > One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which,> > I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do> > you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry.> > If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really> > refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it> > will become more questionable.> >> > Jacqueline, it's your turn.> >> > izumi> >> > 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:> >> Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would> >> be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once> >> a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the> >> vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.> >>> >> My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the> >> time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on> >> BigPulse last night, which once again are:> >>> >> 1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so?> >> 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be> >> announced forthwith> >>> >> The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the> >> Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality> >> are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I> >> could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote> >> Saturday).> >>> >> I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as> >> quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that> >> sentiment....)> >>> >>> >> --> >> Regards,> >>> >> Nick Ashton-Hart> >> Director, At-Large> >> ICANN> >> PO Box 32160> >> London N4 2XY> >> United Kingdom> >> Main Tel: ]> >> USA Tel: > >> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> >> mobile: > >> email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> >> Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /> >> Skype: nashtonhart> >> Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> >>> >>> >>> >> ----- Original message -----> >> From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org>> >> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre"> >> <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide"> >> <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900> >> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board> >> ofDirectors - result ?> >>> >> After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and> >> given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like> >> to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person> >> who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result> >> immediately now.> >>> >> sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not> >> the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and> >> energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair> >> will take this into closure.> >>> >> thanks,> >>> >> izumi> >>> >> 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:> >> > Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be> >> > highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals> >> were> >> > to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.> >> >> >> >> >> > --> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Nick Ashton-Hart> >> > Director, At-Large> >> > ICANN> >> > PO Box 32160> >> > London N4 2XY> >> > United Kingdom> >> > Main Tel: ]> >> > USA Tel: > >> > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> >> > mobile: > >> > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> >> > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /> >> Skype: nashtonhart> >> > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original message -----> >> > From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>> >> > To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>> >> > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200> >> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board> >> > ofDirectors - result ?> >> >> >> > Dear Carlos,> >> >> >> > I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested> >> to> >> > simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.> >> >> >> > best greetings> >> > Annette> >> >> >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----> >> > > Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>> >> > > Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57> >> > > An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org>> >> > > CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> > > Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board ofDirectors - result ?> >> >> >> >> >> > > I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion> >> that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result> >> of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13> >> out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also> >> the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community,> >> and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result.> >> I do not know in my experience any situation like this.> >> > > obviously the committe decide.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre> >> > > abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -> >> > > * / 423-5423> >> > > www.sitioderecho.com.ar> >> > > www.densi.com.ar> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> >> > > > To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr;> >> iza@anr.org> >> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100> >> > > > CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board ofDirectors - result ?> >> > > >> >> > > > I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning> >> my time> >> > > > (it is 10PM local time here now)> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --> >> > > > Regards,> >> > > >> >> > > > Nick Ashton-Hart> >> > > > Director, At-Large> >> > > > ICANN> >> > > > PO Box 32160> >> > > > London N4 2XY> >> > > > United Kingdom> >> > > > Main Tel: ]> >> > > > USA Tel:> >> > > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> >> > > > mobile:> >> > > > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> >> > > > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /> >> Skype: nashtonhart> >> > > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > ----- Original message -----> >> > > > From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>> >> > > > To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>,> >> "'Nick> >> > > > Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> >> > > > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> >> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400> >> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi> >> > > > We have 2 motions seconded on the table now -> >> > > > 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't> >> able> >> > > > to> >> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote> >> > > > 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't> >> able> >> > > > to> >> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote> >> > > >> >> > > > So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up> >> a> >> > > > poll or> >> > > > go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I> >> seem> >> > > > not> >> > > > to be able to right now.> >> > > >> >> > > > Jacqueline> >> > > >> >> > > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > > From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr]> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16> >> > > > To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com> >> > > > Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'> >> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?> >> > > >> >> > > > I support this motion seconded.> >> > > > All the best> >> > > >> >> > > > Sébastien Bachollet> >> > > > Président> >> > > > sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> >> > > > www.egeni.org> >> > > > www.isoc.fr> >> > > >> >> > > > -----Message d'origine-----> >> > > > De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi> >> AIZU> >> > > > Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32> >> > > > À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com> >> > > > Cc : At-Large Worldwide> >> > > > Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN> >> Board> >> > > > ofDirectors - result ?> >> > > >> >> > > > I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum> >> > > > allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the> >> > > > entire vote.> >> > > >> >> > > > izumi> >> > > >> >> > > > 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:> >> > > > > We won't know> >> > > > > But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a> >> mixup in> >> > > > the> >> > > > > timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has> >> already> >> > > > > indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the> >> RoP vote> >> > > > > timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but> >> it was> >> > > > > already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we> >> extend the> >> > > > vote> >> > > > > for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want.> >> Nobody> >> > > > else> >> > > > > will change their vote, but those 2 should not be> >> disenfranchised by the> >> > > > > holiday/moving/miscommunication.> >> > > > > Jacqueline> >> > > > >> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > > > From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com]> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10> >> > > > > To: At-Large Worldwide> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the> >> ICANN Board of> >> > > > > Directors - result ?> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that> >> indeed we> >> > > > > > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...> >> > > > >> >> > > > > If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If> >> not,> >> > > > > there's no point to waiting.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > R's,> >> > > > > John> >> > > > >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________> >> > > > > ALAC mailing list> >> > > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org> >> > > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> >> > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date:> >> 9/3/2007> >> > > > > 09:31> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> >> > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date:> >> 9/3/2007> >> > > > > 09:31> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________> >> > > > > ALAC mailing list> >> > > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org> >> > > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --> >> > > > >> Izumi Aizu <<> >> > > >> >> > > > Institute for HyperNetwork Society> >> > > > Kumon Center, Tama University> >> > > > * * * * *> >> > > > << Writing the Future of the History >>> >> > > > www.anr.org> >> > > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> >> > > > ALAC mailing list> >> > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > >> >> > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org> >> > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org> >> > > >> >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:> >> > > > 04/09/2007> >> > > > 22:36> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:> >> > > > 04/09/2007> >> > > > 22:36> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:> >> 9/4/2007> >> > > > 22:36> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> >> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> >> > > > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date:> >> 9/4/2007> >> > > > 22:36> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > _______________________________________________> >> > > > ALAC mailing list> >> > > > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > >> >> > > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org> >> > > > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------> >> > > Se uno de los primeros en probar Windows Live Mail. 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I fully agree with Carlos: this is an issue of trust and reliability of voting. This is a serious issue, any possibility of manipulation has to be avoided. The vote should be announced now. Annette carlos aguirre schrieb:
As a lawyer I must say that this situation represents a legal barbarism. This situation is not generated so that somebody has motioned and some other has supported those motions. This situation takes place because somebody decided without consulting the retardation in presenting the result the election. lamentably for outside this one sees as a manipulation and really shows a situation at least untidy. In my country would be a serious illegal situation. I really believe that there are no unfortunate coincidences. sorry but in this kind of cases I can`t be diplomatic.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar/> www.densi.com.ar <http://www.densi.com.ar/>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:32:03 +0330 From: shahshah@irnic.ir To: iza@anr.org CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Izumi, 'bizarre' is too kind of a word for this situation. I agree 100% with what you wrote. Siavash
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
And as you wrote
"If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much move on this.
I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing is becoming bazaar.
One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which, I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry. If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it will become more questionable.
Jacqueline, it's your turn.
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on BigPulse last night, which once again are:
1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so? 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be announced forthwith
The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote Saturday).
I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that sentiment....)
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: ] USA Tel: Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza@anr.org> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>, "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result immediately now.
sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair will take this into closure.
thanks,
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
-- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: ] USA Tel: Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
----- Original message ----- From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de> To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Dear Carlos,
I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
best greetings Annette
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57 An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza@anr.org> CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar
> From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org > To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100 > CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? > > I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time > (it is 10PM local time here now) > > > -- > Regards, > > Nick Ashton-Hart > Director, At-Large > ICANN > PO Box 32160 > London N4 2XY > United Kingdom > Main Tel: ] > USA Tel: > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 > mobile: > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org > Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > ----- Original message ----- > From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> > To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick > Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board > ofDirectors - result ? > > Hi > We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - > 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able > to > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote > 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able > to > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote > > So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a > poll or > go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem > not > to be able to right now. > > Jacqueline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 > To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com > Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board > ofDirectors - result ? > > I support this motion seconded. > All the best > > Sébastien Bachollet > Président > sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr > www.egeni.org > www.isoc.fr > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU > Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 > À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com > Cc : At-Large Worldwide > Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board > ofDirectors - result ? > > I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum > allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the > entire vote. > > izumi > > 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>: > > We won't know > > But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in > the > > timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already > > indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote > > timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was > > already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the > vote > > for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody > else > > will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the > > holiday/moving/miscommunication. > > Jacqueline > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 > > To: At-Large Worldwide > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of > > Directors - result ? > > > > > I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we > > > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ... > > > > If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? 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Izumi, I agree that voting on whether to extend the vote is a terrible idea, but if you look back over the email messages, you'll see it was proposed by Jacqueline, not Nick. The idea that the ALAC staff follows the Chair's lead is a feature. On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
And actually Jacqueline wasn't the first or the only person to propose it; she simply was making the point that a valid proposal to extend the vote had been received and seconded, as well as the contrary proposal, and asked for a vote. On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:08, Bret Fausett wrote:
Izumi, I agree that voting on whether to extend the vote is a terrible idea, but if you look back over the email messages, you'll see it was proposed by Jacqueline, not Nick. The idea that the ALAC staff follows the Chair's lead is a feature.
On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
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I did not see Jaqueline's emergency, sorry about that. And Jose's absence. But then we need someone else other than the staff who seems to be the only one already knows the result of the secret vote, have the technical power to setup the vote. Nick, you did not reply to my meta-question if you already know the result. And I repeat if you do, you should really refrain from making any intervention. I propose that we discuss and decide at the next conference call on wheter another vote is necesarry or not, and, if we agree with one proposal just to announce the result, then we will meet the 13th deadline, no problem. As for the procedure, after two proposals were on the table, both seconded, the very person whod wanted one proposal withdrew the request to the vote, another person who never showed up said nothing, I took it as the situation changed, and thought one proposal is no lonter on the table. So there is no need to vote. I saw several people agreed with that in essence, no one insisted to vote to allow extended vote for the two. Then Nick said to vote. So I said no. That is my summary. If we still need to vote, we need another propsal for the changed situation. Is there anyone still want to let the remaining silent one to vote? I was misled, by the following phrase by Nick. "If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with." But in any case, the situation has changed and I see no need to vote. Especially, in the absence of agreed ROP and Chair and Vice Chair... I still think the overall situation is quite bizzare. But in any case let's decided at the conference call. izumi 2007/9/8, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
And actually Jacqueline wasn't the first or the only person to propose it; she simply was making the point that a valid proposal to extend the vote had been received and seconded, as well as the contrary proposal, and asked for a vote.
On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:08, Bret Fausett wrote:
Izumi, I agree that voting on whether to extend the vote is a terrible idea, but if you look back over the email messages, you'll see it was proposed by Jacqueline, not Nick. The idea that the ALAC staff follows the Chair's lead is a feature.
On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
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Izumi, indeed, this is bizarre. As Mohammed recently pointed out, >there no need for another vote inorder to announce our already finished elections< . The opposite is the case, there is the duty to announce the result right after closing the vote. I would like to quote Carlos:
As a lawyer I must say that this situation represents a legal barbarism. This situation is not generated so that somebody has motioned and some other has supported those motions. *This situation takes place because somebody decided without consulting the retardation in presenting the result the election.* lamentably for outside this one sees as a manipulation and really shows a situationat least untidy. In my country would be a serious illegal situation. I really believe that there are no unfortunate coincidences. sorry but in this kind of cases I can`t be diplomatic.
I think that makes the situation absolutely clear. Apart from that, a few days ago I already counted at least 8 ALAC members asking for announcing the results of the vote, including you now there are at least 9 members out of 15. There is no doubt, there is no need to spend more time (neither online nor a the telconf) on that issue: the vote has to be announced immediately. If not, this not only looks like manipulation. Best greetings Annette Izumi AIZU schrieb:
I did not see Jaqueline's emergency, sorry about that. And Jose's absence. But then we need someone else other than the staff who seems to be the only one already knows the result of the secret vote, have the technical power to setup the vote. Nick, you did not reply to my meta-question if you already know the result. And I repeat if you do, you should really refrain from making any intervention.
I propose that we discuss and decide at the next conference call on wheter another vote is necesarry or not, and, if we agree with one proposal just to announce the result, then we will meet the 13th deadline, no problem.
As for the procedure, after two proposals were on the table, both seconded, the very person whod wanted one proposal withdrew the request to the vote, another person who never showed up said nothing,
I took it as the situation changed, and thought one proposal is no lonter on the table. So there is no need to vote. I saw several people agreed with that in essence, no one insisted to vote to allow extended vote for the two. Then Nick said to vote. So I said no.
That is my summary.
If we still need to vote, we need another propsal for the changed situation. Is there anyone still want to let the remaining silent one to vote?
I was misled, by the following phrase by Nick.
"If the sponsors of these proposals were to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
But in any case, the situation has changed and I see no need to vote. Especially, in the absence of agreed ROP and Chair and Vice Chair...
I still think the overall situation is quite bizzare. But in any case let's decided at the conference call.
izumi
2007/9/8, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
And actually Jacqueline wasn't the first or the only person to propose it; she simply was making the point that a valid proposal to extend the vote had been received and seconded, as well as the contrary proposal, and asked for a vote.
On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:08, Bret Fausett wrote:
Izumi, I agree that voting on whether to extend the vote is a terrible idea, but if you look back over the email messages, you'll see it was proposed by Jacqueline, not Nick. The idea that the ALAC staff follows the Chair's lead is a feature.
On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Izumi AIZU wrote:
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you, please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other. _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
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