Hi Khaled The different regions feel differently about this issue. For this reason, each region has determined its membership rules, which may differ from other regions. Each region has its own issues and concerns and culture, and we try to let them determine how to manage these themselves as much as possible, within the basic principles of self-determination and democracy. I think it would be a very negative signal for ICANN to attempt to dictate to the regions, by inserting a clause in the MoU that says a region must have or must not have particular membership. Given that the AtLarge is to represent individual internet users, it is possible that individuals may want to participate without being forced to join an organization that is an ALS. We must have routes for participation for these individuals. I personally would love individuals to be members, but the only region that is looking at giving individual members full rights is the NARALO. I understand the issue with capture, and am as yet unsure as to how we can structure participation to avoid these issues, but it is incredibly important to me (and I hope the rest of the community) that ATLarge be as inclusive as possible, rather than rejecting anyone who wishes to participate for lack of a hosting organization. I do not believe that allowing individual membership will reduce the outreach to organizations. It is difficult to come up with a reasonable and fair structure, but I hope that NARALO will succeed at that. I also believe that given the lack of individual participation in so many of the RALOs, the ALAC will have to look at alternative mechanisms to allow individual participation, whether it be as has been suggested, a 6th global RALO for individuals or any other mechanism. We are looking at this issue. Jacqueline From: Khaled KOUBAA [mailto:khaled.koubaa@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:24 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org; 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Global Fellowships Program Jaqueline, Within the Lisbon meeting we discussed within the AFRALO that there is no logic that RALO could accept individuals as members. I think that the basic existence principals of a Regional Organization is to group Local Organization. I think that if we permit that individuals may be members of a RALO, we will encourage more individuals to become members by themself then encouraging local-user organization to become ALS. I would like that ICANN decide to remove this possibility from all MoU signed or to be signed with RALOs. Best, Khaled Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: Member of the RALO , either ALS or individual - some RALOs have individual members (we haven't seen this yet, but NARALO will have individual members - not sure how they will pick their reps to attend - I doubt that each individual member will be able to attend, probably more likely a person or 2 to represent the individuals ) For the other regions, I'm not sure how individuals are represented (would need to look at all the documents, as it's different in each region). It's potentially infinite, yes. But right now it's quite manageable. As we grow, we will have to really consider how we do this. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: karen banks [HYPERLINK "mailto:karenb@gn.apc.org"mailto:karenb@gn.apc.org] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:55 AM To: HYPERLINK "mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org"nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Global Fellowships Program hi nick Sorry, I think there is a misunderstanding here. My apologies for helping to create one. good to talk it through.. i hope i'm not the only one who doesn't know how these things work! For the regional meetings, EACH ALS may designate one delegate. This means that not one or two people are coming from the regions, but much larger numbers. you mean every ALS? but, isn't that in theory an infiinite number? i mean, how does ALAC manage a budget for an unknown quantity such as number of ALSs' ? (should i take this offline?) As to who chooses to go: each ALS chooses who their delegate is. yes, well that would make sense, just wondering about the money but, what it does mean in principle, is that you can only get funding to attend ICANN through ALAC is you are a member of an ALS yes? this also sheds a bit of light on the suggestion from adam to add a fund to the ICANN general grant - they are clearly for different types of purpose - but, it makes me wonder about people who are potentially interested in ALAC, and may not be able to find their way in via an ALS.. maybe (in future, for discussion etc) there's scope for the odd grant to cover these people.. karen karen _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org"ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org HYPERLINK "http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.or g"http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.o rg HYPERLINK "http://www.alac.icann.org"www.alac.icann.org HYPERLINK "http://www.icannalac.org"www.icannalac.org No virus found in this incoming message. 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