Thanks for your professional response to this, Nick. Personally, Kieren (who is ICANN staff, not a journalist) owes me no apology, and I'm happy to be quoted saying pretty much anything, anytime, unless I'm speaking off the record. Our meetings are (and should be) on the record, anyway. What I would like to hear more about is: (quoting directly from the newsletter in my hands): "They [referring to the RALOs] then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the committee members to account." Since I was elected by a RALO, I would find it helpful to read that list. Everybody elected by a RALO should read such a list, and pay attention. If the RALOs haven't drawn up such a list, they should, and we ought to discuss it (maybe in a smaller group of elect-ees). If the list exists somewhere, then I ask the indulgence of whomever would be kind enough to point me to it. If this was done after I left the ALAC meeting Tuesday, then once again, I apologize. We talked on Sunday about improving communication with the RALOs. From my brief experience with North America, they're frustrated. They're getting mixed signals about what we want them to do. Some have suggested they keep their activities limited to a narrowly-defined reading of ICANN's scope. Others have suggested they should, in theory, seek to expand ICANN's scope by talking about issues users care about and understand that can then be applied to ICANN. Listening to Paul Twomey's panel discussion on Internet governance today, I heard him talking about moving forward successfully with stakeholders: policymakers, technologists, and business. I'm working from memory and wasn't taking notes, so if I'm misquoting Dr. Twomey, I apologize in advance. I did not hear him mention end-users (my mom, nephew and neighbor, none of whom have registered domains). I suppose "policymakers" could be seen as users' representatives. But the ALAC doesn't seem to have the ear of the "policymakers" in the GAC. One clear directive we have given to the RALOs is: Recruit more ALSes. OK! What do we want them to do, and what should they expect their roles to be? Accountability needs to flow from a clear understanding of mission. Personally, I'd rather the ALAC talk about those things vis-a-vis the RALOs than hear an apology. Beau Brendler ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 9:23 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter Thanks very much for being understanding :) That said, Kieren has come up to me and apologised and has asked to convey his apologies in person at the ALAC meeting tomorrow. I have told him that I will ask the Chair if she wishes to make the time for this but that I had a feeling a number of Members would be happy to hear such a statement. On 31 Oct 2007, at 17:53, Thompson, Darlene wrote: Hey Nick, Awesome e-mail. I think that we can all file this away under the topic of "Shit happens" and let it go. If it were a perfect world... I think that everybody is just getting a little tired and strung out and then things are said that aren't as well worded as they could have been. Blah. Also, I would like to take this moment to thank ICANN staff. You guys are working your butts off and it hasn't gone unnoticed. EXCELLENT job done by all! Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 3:22 PM To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote: > Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making > this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that > something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from > unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, > and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps > it would have been better to hold this message until you actually > had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your > concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even > after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my > inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other > than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, > I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant > reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue. > > Bret > > > On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > >> Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false >> information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are >> being printed in the ICANN newsletter. >> >> I would like to ask : >> >> 1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and >> 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then >> ALAC should take appropriate actions >> >> regards >> >> Robet >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge- >> lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> >> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge- > lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart *** Scanned