There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote:

Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps it would have been better to hold this message until you actually had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue.

Bret

On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

...

Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are being printed in the ICANN newsletter.

I would like to ask :

1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then ALAC should take appropriate actions

regards

Robet

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Thanks Nick IMO it's slanted negatively, but not inaccurate given the statements made at the Board/ALAC meeting. I'd not like to make it a big deal. WE are for free and frank discussion after all, and freedom of "the press". IMO this is useful as it shows us how other people can interpret some of the things that have been said in our meetings and on our lists. I suggest we take it as a prod to be more professional and do better. I agree with Vittorio's comments. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:22 To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote:

Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps it would have been better to hold this message until you actually had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue.

Bret

On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

...

Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are being printed in the ICANN newsletter.

I would like to ask :

1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then ALAC should take appropriate actions

regards

Robet

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Robert Guerra ha scritto:

I think that at-large should have been a. told that a report was going to be filed on its meeting(s), and b. knowing that - that it should have been given the opportunity to either submit its own statement or review the article before it was published.

Robert, I've seen that request made before, but only by bad politicians to journalists lacking professional integrity, or by dictators in non-democratic countries... A reporter such as Kieren is free to report whatever he deems fit, as long as he takes responsibility for that; if what he says is factually wrong, you can sue him for defamation or, more simply, ask for a rectification in the next issue of the newsletter. It would be a completely different matter if he was purposedly given false information, or if ICANN was paying him to discredit the ALAC, but is that the case?

Recalling the sunday meeting and the request to focus on the problem and recommend a two part motion to be adopted in one of the next meetings of the alac:

1. That for future meetings at-large and the ALAC be given the opportunity to comment and contribute to ICANN newsletter(s) related to the meeting.

Isn't it already like that?

2. Individual members of the alac who are interviewed on at-large and/ or alac matters send an advance notice to alac.

No Party member shall speak with the press unless the Party has given him/her instructions? I'm not saying you are against freedom of expression, I think you are just sincerely worried by the political consequences of a sentiment of dislike for the ALAC if it spread around the community, but please realize that, as I already said, the only course of action is to solve our internal problems, not to try to hide them. Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------

Well, ICANN is paying him. I don't know him well enough to guess about his motivation one way or the other.

Followup: if he says it was a misunderstanding, that's a relief. If we seem kind of touchy, it's because there's a long history of at-large and ICANN staff working at cross purposes. R's, John

WE are for free and frank discussion after all That's a very odd assertion given the recent history of this forum, in which three separate people have been suggested for censure simply due to their pursuit of "free and frank discussion".

One person's "free and frank" may easily be another person's insult, especially in a forum such as this with high levels of cultural diversity. What is most amusing in this context is not the defense of free speech, but rather its apparently selective application. I personally found the meeting description in the communique to be highly inaccurate, unprofessional, and indeed misunderstood about the very purpose of At-Large. And, yes, as a participant in that meeting I found the description very insulting. Having said that, I greatly appreciate Nick's apology and am happily prepared to move on to more important matters. /// "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist." -- Salman Rushdie / - Evan

My Dear Evan Maybe I have misunderstood all the emails sent on this and other lists against my suggestions that people adjust tone (not substantive content, note) - if the At Large as represented by some on this list is all for freedom all the way to offend, threaten, libel and abuse, why then try to censor others? Or is it one rule for you, another for others? I personally have NEVER had a problem with content, once it’s accurate. The article is accurate, those things were said at the Board/ALAC meeting. It might have been mischievous, might have been snide, but there’s no law against that. There was no threat, no abuse, no personal attack in the article, unlike some emails on this list. I have no idea where you got information about 3 people being suggested for censure owing to a pursuit of “free and frank discussion”. I have sent email strongly requesting that they desist from a particularly libelous and threatening manner to only ONE person, and yes, in that case I did say “I’d hate to have to moderate you, but I will if people continue to complain”. The particular issue ended, there were no more complaints and no moderation was needed. I’d love to know who the other 2 are and who suggested censure in the pursuit of “free and frank discussion”, as opposed to censure in reaction to perceived threats, abuse and personal attacks. FYI, I was informed by Darlene at one time that the NARALO list was actively moderating posts from a member. There’s not been any moderation on this list. Jacqueline From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 16:02 To: 'At-Large Global List' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter WE are for free and frank discussion after all That's a very odd assertion given the recent history of this forum, in which three separate people have been suggested for censure simply due to their pursuit of "free and frank discussion". One person's "free and frank" may easily be another person's insult, especially in a forum such as this with high levels of cultural diversity. What is most amusing in this context is not the defense of free speech, but rather its apparently selective application. I personally found the meeting description in the communique to be highly inaccurate, unprofessional, and indeed misunderstood about the very purpose of At-Large. And, yes, as a participant in that meeting I found the description very insulting. Having said that, I greatly appreciate Nick's apology and am happily prepared to move on to more important matters. "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist." -- Salman Rushdie - Evan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.14/1100 - Release Date: 10/30/2007 18:26 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.14/1100 - Release Date: 10/30/2007 18:26

Hey Nick, Awesome e-mail. I think that we can all file this away under the topic of "Shit happens" and let it go. If it were a perfect world... I think that everybody is just getting a little tired and strung out and then things are said that aren't as well worded as they could have been. Blah. Also, I would like to take this moment to thank ICANN staff. You guys are working your butts off and it hasn't gone unnoticed. EXCELLENT job done by all! Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 3:22 PM To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote:

Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps it would have been better to hold this message until you actually had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue.

Bret

On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

...

Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are being printed in the ICANN newsletter.

I would like to ask :

1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then ALAC should take appropriate actions

regards

Robet

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Thanks for your professional response to this, Nick. Personally, Kieren (who is ICANN staff, not a journalist) owes me no apology, and I'm happy to be quoted saying pretty much anything, anytime, unless I'm speaking off the record. Our meetings are (and should be) on the record, anyway. What I would like to hear more about is: (quoting directly from the newsletter in my hands): "They [referring to the RALOs] then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the committee members to account." Since I was elected by a RALO, I would find it helpful to read that list. Everybody elected by a RALO should read such a list, and pay attention. If the RALOs haven't drawn up such a list, they should, and we ought to discuss it (maybe in a smaller group of elect-ees). If the list exists somewhere, then I ask the indulgence of whomever would be kind enough to point me to it. If this was done after I left the ALAC meeting Tuesday, then once again, I apologize. We talked on Sunday about improving communication with the RALOs. From my brief experience with North America, they're frustrated. They're getting mixed signals about what we want them to do. Some have suggested they keep their activities limited to a narrowly-defined reading of ICANN's scope. Others have suggested they should, in theory, seek to expand ICANN's scope by talking about issues users care about and understand that can then be applied to ICANN. Listening to Paul Twomey's panel discussion on Internet governance today, I heard him talking about moving forward successfully with stakeholders: policymakers, technologists, and business. I'm working from memory and wasn't taking notes, so if I'm misquoting Dr. Twomey, I apologize in advance. I did not hear him mention end-users (my mom, nephew and neighbor, none of whom have registered domains). I suppose "policymakers" could be seen as users' representatives. But the ALAC doesn't seem to have the ear of the "policymakers" in the GAC. One clear directive we have given to the RALOs is: Recruit more ALSes. OK! What do we want them to do, and what should they expect their roles to be? Accountability needs to flow from a clear understanding of mission. Personally, I'd rather the ALAC talk about those things vis-a-vis the RALOs than hear an apology. Beau Brendler ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 9:23 PM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter Thanks very much for being understanding :) That said, Kieren has come up to me and apologised and has asked to convey his apologies in person at the ALAC meeting tomorrow. I have told him that I will ask the Chair if she wishes to make the time for this but that I had a feeling a number of Members would be happy to hear such a statement. On 31 Oct 2007, at 17:53, Thompson, Darlene wrote: Hey Nick, Awesome e-mail. I think that we can all file this away under the topic of "Shit happens" and let it go. If it were a perfect world... I think that everybody is just getting a little tired and strung out and then things are said that aren't as well worded as they could have been. Blah. Also, I would like to take this moment to thank ICANN staff. You guys are working your butts off and it hasn't gone unnoticed. EXCELLENT job done by all! Darlene ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 3:22 PM To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote: > Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making > this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that > something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from > unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, > and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps > it would have been better to hold this message until you actually > had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your > concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even > after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my > inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other > than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, > I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant > reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue. > > Bret > > > On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote: > >> Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false >> information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are >> being printed in the ICANN newsletter. >> >> I would like to ask : >> >> 1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and >> 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then >> ALAC should take appropriate actions >> >> regards >> >> Robet >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge- >> lists.icann.org >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> >> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge- > lists.icann.org > > At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> > ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44 mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart *** Scanned

If the ALAC feels it’s necessary. I don’t. From: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 18:23 To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter Thanks very much for being understanding :) That said, Kieren has come up to me and apologised and has asked to convey his apologies in person at the ALAC meeting tomorrow. I have told him that I will ask the Chair if she wishes to make the time for this but that I had a feeling a number of Members would be happy to hear such a statement. On 31 Oct 2007, at 17:53, Thompson, Darlene wrote: Hey Nick, Awesome e-mail. I think that we can all file this away under the topic of "Shit happens" and let it go. If it were a perfect world... I think that everybody is just getting a little tired and strung out and then things are said that aren't as well worded as they could have been. Blah. Also, I would like to take this moment to thank ICANN staff. You guys are working your butts off and it hasn't gone unnoticed. EXCELLENT job done by all! Darlene _____ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.ican n.org on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Sent: Wed 10/31/2007 3:22 PM To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Global List Subject: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter There is not yet an online version for me to link to or attach but here's the exact text in the newsletter: "Growing pains appeared at the ALAC meeting when representatives of the regional at large organisations (RALOs) accused the committee of being poor value of money and operating badly. They then proceeded to list a number of ways in which they intended to keep the Committee members to account. This soon gave way to some constructive dialogue however. Statements were produced on gTLDs and IDN questions and a resolution passed in favour of an IDN fast-track. Not unusually the ALAC requested more resources from ICANN." I want you all to know that this situation is not reflective of the view of ICANN as a whole. Denise and I are very aware of this and we are very sorry on behalf of ICANN. More will be forthcoming on the subject. On 31 Oct 2007, at 11:27, Bret Fausett wrote:

Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps it would have been better to hold this message until you actually had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue.

Bret

On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

...

Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are being printed in the ICANN newsletter.

I would like to ask :

1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then ALAC should take appropriate actions

regards

Robet

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I support your position Brett. We must analyze better any information, other colleagues thoughts, or even public comments about ALAC before we put our own thoughts in the list. I believe we will contribute more with our community if we use the infos we get and extract from that, the issues where we could improve or if it is not a true reality, contribute with some suggestion on how to address to the specific person or community that have raised a non proper comment, the correct answer. The list shall become a constructive way to find new paths to help ALAC continuously improve in all directions: internal capacity, representativeness, its own presence in the internet community, structure, etc. Thanks for allow me to share these thoughts with all of you. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br  Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action." "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor." -----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Bret Fausett Enviada em: quarta-feira, 31 de outubro de 2007 11:27 Para: At-Large Global List Assunto: Re: [At-Large] Comments about at-large/ALAC in ICANN newsletter Robert, this post is an example of something that I think is making this list difficult to manage. The post vaguely suggests that something inappropriate has happened, based on hearsay reports from unidentified colleagues. I have no idea what you're talking about, and I think I'm rather steeped in the ICANN organization. Perhaps it would have been better to hold this message until you actually had the language in hand, could quote it and then describe your concerns. As it is, I don't know what you're talking about, even after reviewing all the recent ICANN newsletters I could find in my inbox. I'm not sure how this message accomplished anything other than to kindle some flames. I don't mean to pick on you, or anyone, I'd just like to see us use this list less as a place for instant reactions and more as a forum for considered dialogue. Bret On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Robert Guerra wrote:

Several colleagues are reporting that inappropriate and false information on and about at-large and ALAC meetings this week are being printed in the ICANN newsletter.

I would like to ask :

1. that the text present in the newsletter be posted to the list, and 2. should the text and/or comments be deemed as inappropriate, then ALAC should take appropriate actions

regards

Robet

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