Hi Izumi, Please do not take anything that I said to mean that I thought that there was any kind of intention to hide anything and I truly do not think that anything was "twisted" on the internal list. I also do not think that it was intentional to "hide" any of the conversation. I think it was completely unintentional and only because of the time crunch that everybody was under. I, too, do not have any perfect way to address this and yes, Alan did post the final draft to the public list. Or, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people on the public list don't want their e-mail in-boxes flooded with e-mails that are mainly word-smithing (I know I sure got a ton of them over the last couple of days). Anyways, I'm going to stop rambling now. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-6510 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: izumiaizu@gmail.com [mailto:izumiaizu@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:11 AM To: Thompson, Darlene Cc: Robert Guerra; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Discussions should be transparent / Open ... I didn't see the handling of Domain Tasting statement as violation of transparency etc, and also agree with Jacqueline that final wordsmith can be done at internal list, provided almost all substantive discussion was done on the open public list. It also may relate to how "ALAC statement" as such is formulated and released. In ideal situation, or for formal resolution, there will be "final call" - to send the latest draft and ask for every 15 committee member - 10 of whom represent RALOs (at least in theory), and 5 NomCom designated representative of wider community 15 members will say YES or NO within, say 24 hours, if majority of 15 say YES, then it becomes formal. Well, that is calling for Votes. HOWEVER, making statements do not work this way in reality. Usually, the final draft will be sent, asking for any "strong" descents, otherwise it is adopted by silent majority. BUT, if it is sent to "public list", there is a risk of not making the final closure in time, or there is some vague procedure issue still remain. I don't know how to address this in a perfect way. I know it still can be done, but having dobule track, one in public and one for internal wordsmith, is not that bad way, to me. I do not see there has been no real intention to hide anything. Just a metter of efficiency. OR, was there any specific example of making final twist only on internal list? I did not see it. I thought Alan has posted all the drafts to the public list untli end. izumi 2007/12/6, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca >: I agree and also think that final "word-smithing" on documents can be held on the public lists, too. Having said that, cudos to all that worked so hard at getting the Domain Tasting document in on time and this e-mail should in no way be seen as derogatory to those people. It's a general statement. I will, however, always support transparency. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 975-6510 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Robert Guerra Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 2:17 PM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: [At-Large] Discussions should be transparent / Open ... I've repeatedly been raising the issue - that in fact the ALAC internal list should be for confidential matters, while all discussions (especially policy) should take place on the more open and transparent public at-large list. Any support on this matter would be most welcome. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra < rguerra@privaterra.ca <mailto:rguerra@privaterra.ca> > Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann .org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org