Hello All, (Pitch in my two cents as a Chinese) I did a bit research and found out that China's state media (including Xinhua, people.cn, CCTV) have been using the term Global Internet Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟）to refer to NETmundial Initiative since January this year, if not earlier: - http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2015-01/22/c_1114096527.htm - http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0701/c1002-27239867.html - http://bit.ly/1S3c8bJ There is also a Baidu Baike page (China’s equivalent of wikipedia) about NMI (http://bit.ly/1Th0JYh), which is also referred to as Global Internet Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟). This confusion is likely caused by translation. The term NETmundial seems to be translated into Chinese based on the meaning and the mission of the organization (NETmundial = Global Internet Governance = 全球互联网治理). When the Chinese reporter(s) wrote about NETmundial in English, I suspect that they referred to NMI’s Chinese translated term and translated it literally back into English, hence NETmundial Initiative has become Global Internet Governance Alliance. So the term was lost in translation (EN —> ZH —> EN). I will check with our colleagues in Beijing who may have connections to the reporter(s). They may help sort out this naming confusion. Thank you, Ariel -----Original Message----- From: <Subrenat>, Jean-Jacques <jjs@dyalog.net> Date: Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:30 AM To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: PacNOG <pacnog@pacnog.org>, Cecily FAASAU <cf@regulator.gov.ws>, "oceania-icann@icann.org" <oceania-icann@icann.org>, Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List <picisoc@picisoc.org>, igf-pacific <igf-pacific@googlegroups.com>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Joao Carlos Caribe <caribe@entropia.blog.br>, apralo <apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "members2014@thespacs.org" <members2014@thespacs.org>, Arab IGF mailing list <list@igfarab.org>, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community (CIVIC)" <civic@dgroups.org> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
Hello,
having taken part in the face-to-face meeting of the NetMundial Initiative Coordination Council (NMI/CC, Sao Paulo 29-30 June 2015), but writing in a private capacity, I find it useful to clarify a few points :
- As far as I'm aware, the term "Global Internet Governance Alliance (GIGA)" exists only in a piece written by "New China", based on a report filed from Sao Paulo by Xinhua, the official news agency of China (and, by the way, "New China" is the English translation of Xinhua 新华). The Xinhua report itself seems to be based on interviews conducted on-the-spot by its reporter(s). In this context, the term GIGA seems to be an amalgamation of various interviews. And as far as I can make out, the news agency correspondents in Sao Paulo were not necessarily experts in Internet matters, nor perhaps of English. The New China piece was brought to our attention on this thread by Salanieta: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
- Also, it would have been useful for those journalists reporting from Sao Paulo to check, and they would have discovered that the term GIGA is already in use in a different Internet context: the Institute of Global Internet Governance and Advocacy (GIGA) at Nalsar University in India has organized conferences on those themes, and I was invited as a speaker to the "GIGA-1 conference" (Hyderabad 2012), http://cis-india.org/news/giga-conference
- During the 2-day meeting in Sao Paulo, and as far as I'm aware, there was no reference to a "GIGA", whether as a synonym of, or a replacement for NMI/CC.
- As a member of the global Internet user community, and as a Member of the NMI Coordination Council writing in a private capacity, I consider that there are no grounds for suspecting any sort of maneuver aimed at transforming NMI/CC into, or it being taken over by, a so-called "GIGA".
Jean-Jacques.
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Enough of the cheerleading and lists of names, please.
I am still waiting for a straight and honest answer from ANYONE: What is the relationship between this body and the Netmundial Initiative? On Jul 5, 2015 5:40 PM, "Joao Carlos Caribe" < caribe@entropia.blog.br > wrote:
Ad to this group of co-chairs FUndacao Getulio Vargas /CTI Brazil and HRW
_ João Carlos Caribé
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Em 05/07/2015, às 18:00, Vanda Scartezini < vanda@uol.com.br > escreveu:
lot’s of names but I also am waiting fro something come out - I did not go to this event, but ICANN staff here went and so did Jean Jacques. Jean Jacques sent out a new report about the event. Guess worth to read it. World economic Forum + Alibaba from China + CGI.br + CEO of ICANN looks an interesting group to chair this. let’s read JJ and debate later.. I had no opportunity to read it yet. Best regards,
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From: < at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > on behalf of Evan Leibovitch < evan@telly.org > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:09 To: Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com > Cc: PacNOG < pacnog@pacnog.org >, igf-pacific < igf-pacific@googlegroups.com >, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community (CIVIC)" < civic@dgroups.org >, Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet Society Discussion List < picisoc@picisoc.org >, " oceania-icann@icann.org " < oceania-icann@icann.org >, Arab IGF mailing list < list@igfarab.org >, 'apralo' < apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org >, < members2014@thespacs.org >, 'At-Large Worldwide' < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org >, Cecily FAASAU < cf@regulator.gov.ws > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA
OK, I'm confused.
We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now GIGA.
The three movers of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br .
GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of Internet governance solutions.
As far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is* CGI.br
So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs? Was there a rename that I missed?
And Carlton said that
the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event
(In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the calamotous "solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others have refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to share few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's own outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)
On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share Carlton's optimism. On the other, I look around and see another new source of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole situation even more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.
On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com > wrote:
I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was..
I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo and followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The Council has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from Sao Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and furthering the objectives of WSIS.
Good enough.
Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign up for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted the multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance. Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I think he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development. I think he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not preclude other dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions of one or other kind could be inimical to all our interests.
So, what do you do? I will take the Council's word on its commitment. And since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to account.
It is as good as it gets.
-Carlton
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com > wrote:
Dear All,
Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm
SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here Tuesday .
"This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China governs its Internet," said Ma.
The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.
Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal global Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the success of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade said.
To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that dialogues among different partners should be improved, the platform should be transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally participate in global Internet governance.
GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of Internet governance solutions.
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