Darlene and all my friends, Respectfully I disagree because once you have some $$ in the kitty, so to speak [ no sexual overtones intended, BTW ] and donations with good outreach associated, chaseing $$ will not be a full time effort. Public radio and Television do things this way and do it quite well. And also BTW, I also have a full time job and I can even part time generate a significant amount of money for our members, and do so reguarly with some extra of my free time. And ICANN should be doing for you/us/users, not the other way around. Remember, ICANN is a public SERVICE corporation, not a private sector corporation. Doing for users is what your, my and everyones focus should be, not doing for ICANN. We should be hitting up ICANN to do for us and all users! However if you don't like my one suggested funding model, I can advance several others which I have used or am familiar with that have enjoyed great success. Just don't expect ICANN to fund the Summit or the ALAC in any way or to any amount, not going to happen. In conclusion, does the ALAC have an account yet with any financial institution? Wendy, do you know? Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 "Thompson, Darlene" wrote:
Jeffrey,
Your "useful funding suggestion" would mean that ALAC and ALSs would have nothing to so but chase $$. We all have day jobs. So, your suggestion would lead to us doing even less of the work that we are supposed to be doing. Not viable if I have to spend the scare resources of my time in chasing dollars rather than doing the work I am attempting to do for ICANN.
D
----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jeffrey A. Williams Sent: Sun 2/17/2008 5:11 PM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] [Gnso-liaison] Is Staff in bed with NetSol?
Evan and all my friends,
Wow, a rather scathing review and demoralizing take on Danny's mostly helpful and meaningful ideas yet bluntly honest historical review. One learns from the past, and if well learned, doesn't repeat it. I believe and know for a near certainty Danny want's the ALAC or any other AT-Large body within the ICANN structure to be successful and endure. But he is also a realist for the most part. Seeking funds from ICANN will not get the ALSes anywhere of worth to users/stakeholders, which I believe was Danny's main point and one that given his experience as well as mine, is well founded historically.
BTW, what did you Evan think of my meager but perhaps useful funding suggestion? It's very grass roots, which should be appealing, but not easy.
Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Danny Younger wrote:
The organizations that manage to survive in the ICANN ambit are the ones that make the defense of the interests of their constituents their number one priority, like the IPC. The ALAC has not done that.
Technically, the last regional ALS organization didn't officially join in until last week.
This means that, with some validity, ALAC going forward is not the same as the ALAC of the past. ALACv1 was all appointed and had neither a mandate nor _any_ sense of grassroots priorities.
Now there are well over 100 ALSs representing memberships in the hundreds of thousands. While this is certainly no guarantee that the
composition of these groups -- or the views of their ICANN reps -- completely reflects the public POV, it's much closer than when ALAC had nobody but its own appointees to churn policy. I would not dispute that much of the last six years of ALAC appear to have been wrapped up with process-obsessed navel gazing.
Maybe ALACv2 will not turn out as well as was hoped. Events of the past week give me significantly more optimism than I had in the past, though heaven knows there are massive opportunities for improvement. I certainly know that many people -- present company included -- were generous when interviewed by the consultants engaging in the ALAC review.
While you are not the only one who has had issues with ALAC's historic tendency to over-process things, I suspect you will find that a greater diversity of public voices will probably make the group's tasks more
challenging than they have been. We've already found that out while canvassing constituent opinions on the JPA. It may (or may not) matter to you that the Registerfly issue is not considered a big deal (let alone disaster) outside of the US. But ALAC is a global body, and the fact that its prioroties are not the same as yours does not render it useless.
When registrants pounded at ICANN's door in the wake of the RegisterFly disaster, did we see the ALAC do anything? When registrants can no longer successfully transfer their domains owing to the behaviors of rogue registrars, does the ALAC do anything? Danny, as a part of this mailing list -- as part of this At-Large mechanism -- you share part of the blame for this inaction. Whining from the sidelines, without offering how to be part of the solution, isn't constructive.
The ALAC after six years is now nothing more than a monolithic single point of failure that plays at process, does nothing more than suck travel dollars out of ICANN and helps to swell an already bloated budget.
Given your history with ICANN the sour grapes are understandable. But please, as we go forward, make a choice. Either help fix the problems you describe, or get out of the way and let the rest of us do our best to fix it without the utterly unhelpful sniping.
We know how you feel. Repeating your complaint endlessly has no value other than to demoralize people and help realize the failure you bemoan. Indeed, one could easily surmise that you _want_ ALAC to fail, which is good reason to simply ignore anything you contribute.
this is a body that has become less than useless.
And yet... here you still are amongst us, part of this collective. That makes you either a) a masochist b) part of the reason why ALAC is in this sorry state c) one who derives pleasure from making others miserable d) all of the above
- Evan
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