On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Roberto Gaetano < roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am not saying I disagree with Sala, nor that I approve the move from the French government. I am only saying that the issue has other aspects that we need to consider and it is not "just" the re-edition of the tax war.
Yes, there are other aspects that need to be considered.
I take the chance to respond also to Evan, who wrote:
Given Google's particular business model, this DOES amount to a trade tax.
What makes it a tax is Google's "particular" business model. What does not allow us to speak generally about a tax, is exactly the word "particular" in the statement.
Transfer pricing was mentioned in the French Proposal and I assume that on products/services that VAT would be apply.
On a similar note, there is an interesting article published on July 2012 called Carriage vs Content by Geoff Huston, see: http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html
So, I think that the question is much wider, and we cannot reduce it to slogans like taxation yes or no, it has to do with the balance of cost and benefits among different stakeholders. Something that is also on the ITU's plate. Which means that we better have our principles well debated inside and a clear position stated, in case we need to defend it in other fora.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Vanda UOL Inviato: martedì 22 gennaio 2013 21:38 A: 'At-Large Worldwide'; 'apralo' Oggetto: [At-Large] RES: R: France Proposes Internet Tax - Old War Resurfacing
Robert, indeed deserves debate, but I also agree with SALA, that whatever the proposal contains, the taxation word really raises the old war. Unhappily we are seeing more and more an insatiable appetite for money!!!!
-----Mensagem original----- De: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Roberto Gaetano Enviada em: terça-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2013 15:55 Para: 'At-Large Worldwide'; 'apralo' Assunto: [At-Large] R: France Proposes Internet Tax - Old War Resurfacing
Sala, Although I agree with you that this French proposal can reopen the "old war" of internet taxation, it should be pointed out that the proposed tax is not on commercial transactions, i.e. it is not a trade tax, but a "fee" for collecting personal information. So, besides the financial implication there are other subjects that this proposal raises. Maybe that warrants also a discussion. Cheers, R.
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro Inviato: lunedì 21 gennaio 2013 21:23 A: At-Large Worldwide; apralo Oggetto: [At-Large] France Proposes Internet Tax - Old War Resurfacing
Dear All,
You would have read in the New York Times about France proposing Internet Tax - I have blogged about this here:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130121_france_proposes_internet_tax_an_old_w ar_resurfacing/
Kind Regards,
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