I have already signed to attend F2F meeting from NOMCOM in the US, but due the location the waiver makes more sense. However I believe this request for reconsideration is an important standing of the community when the meeting is in a third country. Vanda Scartezini E-mail: vanda@scartezini.org<mailto:vanda@scartezini.org> Mobile: + 55 11 981811464 Skype: vanda.scartezini From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thursday, 28 April 2022 21:50 To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn@gmail.com>, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> Cc: At Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] info on waiver to attend ICANN74I Glenn Short answer – no. We included the waivers from both IETF and ARIN in our reconsideration request to ICANN: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/reconsideration-22-2-nnic-bis-request-... 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Hi As pointed out that ICANN has always been super cautious and legalistic( sometimes to a fault) curious if other events IETF, ARIN etc has adopted such 'protect my ass" approach to an event. On the other hand, waivers doesn't protect those that perpetuate negligence, you can't do blanket waivers as Roberto indicated. Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 at 16:38, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: The important thing to note is that the US is a litigious nation and it is within ICANN's purview to create waiver forms for its events otherwise it would not be able to host a physical event. For those who don't like it, they can participate virtually or wear immunity suits.....lol On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:33 PM Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Thanks Marita. One sentence - among others - is particularly puzzling to me: I knowingly and freely assume all risks related to illness and infectious diseases, including but not limited to COVID-19, even if arising from the negligence or fault of ICANN This means to me that I acknowledge that ICANN has the right to be negligent. I have to confess that sometimes in the past I have thought that this was ICANN’s approach, but it is the first time that I see it in writing. I wonder whether this is a sort of friendly advice to participate online and avoid showing up in person in the Hague. Cheers, Roberto On 27.04.2022, at 22:09, Marita Moll via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Dear colleagues. If you are planning to attend ICANN74, please note that you will be required to sign a very broadly worded waiver that goes well beyond any issues related to the pandemic. You can read the waiver here: https://www.internetnews.me/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ICANN-waiver.pdf Several registrars have asked that this requirement be dropped https://domainincite.com/27793-icanns-covid-19-waiver-formally-appealed. Michele Neylon, Managing Director of Blacknight Solutions, seeking legal advice on behalf of himself and staff, was advised that neither he nor his staff should sign a waiver granting ICANN blanket exclusion of liability. https://blacknight.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/blacknight-ICANN-April-20... . It is an unsettling way to begin what was looking like a new beginning after so many hours at virtual public meetings. I have attended more public meetings in my life than I could ever count, and have never been asked to sign such an extensive waiver. 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