Indeed. I believe though that the only key issue is the presence or not of commercial organizations. "Technical" organizations should not be a concern, as there are such type of bodies not only in ALAC, but also in the NCUC, so that should not justify disparity of treatment. Just a couple of examples: - NIC Senegal (www.nic.sn) - Swathanthra Malayalam Computing (http://smc.org.in) both in NCUC without this being considered a problem. Same for academic institutions, like: - KAIST (http://www.kaist.edu/) - EDUCAUSE (http://www.educause.edu/) Let's be clear. I am in favour of an inclusive interpretation of the criteria for Civil Society. If we want to allow only the bodies that are strictly doing just advocacy for the public interest, we have to exclude indeed many of our ALSes, but by the same token we must exclude some part of the members of the NCSG as well, with the result that we will have to create a sort of internal filtering and verification mechanism, that will be a nightmare to implement and maintain. In my opinion, it is the role of the umbrella organizations (NCUC, NPOC, ALAC) to guarantee that their respective membership has activities that remain strictly in the non-profit domain, with the assumption that if the purpose is not making profit, the effect is to act for the benefit of the community. It is not an "advocacy" of civil rights per-se, and might well not match a strictly defined "Civil Society", but the effect is to work for the community not by talking, but by acting concretely. Which (but I might be biased by my background) has even more value and more effectiveness for the society at-large. Cheers, Roberto
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl@gih.com] Inviato: lunedì 14 dicembre 2015 12:01 A: Glenn McKnight; Roberto Gaetano Cc: At-Large Worldwide Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation
Hello again, all,
On 14/12/2015 11:48, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
I sense that in order to address all of the concerns that we have, our community needs a call with the leaders of this program, Adam Peake and Jean-Jacques Sahel. The currently proposed call on Wed 16 December is unsuitable for this concern as these are purely questions related to At-Large and interpretation will not be provided. (why?)
Jean-Jacques Sahel will be speaking to the ALAC sub-committee on Outreach & Engagement *today* so perhaps these are questions to ask then: https://community.icann.org/x/AYllAw Date: Monday, 14 December 2015 Time: 18:00 UTC - 19:30 UTC
Kindest regards,
Olivier