Dear Colleagues, A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering. It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing. Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC. The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution. If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC. If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting). The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee. I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it. Bret Fausett
Dear Bret! Thank you for this initiative! This is an interesting proposal on Rotating Chair for ALAC! Here are my comments on the proposal made . 2 models are proposed: 1.. Regional Approach to Rotating Chair (RAR) 2.. EU Approach to Rotating Chair (EUAR) Adding some more advantages to Model 1(RAR) (in addition to those provided by Bret): - Overall simple and easy to implement; - It is much easier/faster for the 3 ALAC regional members to decide on the Chair/Vice-Chair; - Regional members know better the regional/local peculiarities of the region they come from; - Due to the fact that this is a voluntary activity, the time from previous ICANN meeting till the next one is exactly the "enthusiasm" vs. "motivation" phase. For such "organization" like ALAC is - there is a need for good dynamics all the time. My concerns vis-à-vis the EU Model (EUAR): - It seems to be more complex from the procedural point of view (and we don't want to spend additional time on procedures); - Even if multinational Executive Committee, the decision - making process within it can be slower as compared to Model 1. So, finally, if I have to "vote" for one of the 2 models described, then I would be in favor of the Model 1 (RAR). Really interested to hear from the rest of ALAC team on this! Have a nice weekend everyone, Veronica (nica) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Fausett" <bfausett@internet.law.pro> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 3:17 AM Subject: [At-Large] Proposal: Rotating Chair for ALAC
Dear Colleagues,
A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering.
It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing.
Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC.
The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution.
If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC.
If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting).
The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee.
I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it.
Bret Fausett
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Dear Bret! Thank you for this initiative! This is an interesting proposal on Rotating Chair for ALAC!
Siavash has already posted some of the reasons why, in the end, we discarded the idea. There could be a number of practical problems, such as having people whose term is near to the end and whose possible reappointment is uncertain, or more than one person really willing to be the Chair (and in a small group of three individuals that might be a serious problem to solve), or, more likely, no one from the region having time or desire to serve. Also, there is value in having a "recognizable face" to represent the At Large, for other constituencies and for the "public" at the public forum; also, I remember that I received communications that should have been addressed at the new Chair for months and months after leaving the post; etc. So, there is the risk to create a lot of confusion about us outside of the ALAC. This said, we are now in a different situation. There is much more activity and interest in several regions, so it might be easier to find people who can commit the effort necessary to serve as Chair, and it might be easier to find more volunteers in general, so that the work is better distributed and the Chair doesn't have to do so many things at once. All in all, I think that this proposal deserves consideration by the new ALAC. However, I would really like to adopt the version of the rules of procedure that has been agreed up to now, integrated with whatever voting method you like, so that we can start using it (and I would still like the elections for Board liaison to happen as soon as possible), and then we work out any changes or enhancements in the next months, so to approve them in LA. By the way, other new members (up to three) will be joining the ALAC in LA, so there is a risk that we continue to rediscuss the rules as new people with new ideas replace older members, without ever getting a closure on any version. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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... . However, I would really like to adopt the version of the rules of procedure that has been agreed up to now, integrated with whatever voting method you like, so that we can start using it (and I would still like the elections for Board liaison to happen as soon as possible), and then we work out any changes or enhancements in the next months, so to approve them in LA.
The Working group finalized the revised text this thursday. Cheryl as chair of the WG will release the document soon. we hope the ALAC will like the revised document. We are also proposing several amendments that either help clarify concepts and/or include comments that were received both in San Juan and online following the meeting. Let me add that I'm not one to put things off "until later" . If there's consensus to incorporate new ideas that have emerged, then I would rather we try to draft clean, clear an concise language that includes novel ideas that update our methods so that work can, and is more distributed among us. regards Robert
Hi Bret, In principle your proposal is very sound and I think it should be worked upon to make it or a variation thereof adoptable. For now I see the following problems: 1. There is a serious problem with the selection of the 'prospective chair'. It is possible and often the case that of the three potential candidates two will be either outgoing when their prospective terms as chair should start or two of the three will be new members. This could result in a default situation. Similarly, the 'past chair' will often be an outgoing member of ALAC(unless he/she is again elected or selected by nom-com). 2. The lack of continuity that the above will entail combined with the new executive position created for ALAC by ICANN could undermine the power of ALAC in favor of growing power of ICANN Executive; I'm afraid of ALAC becoming a rubber stamp for executive decisions. Still the idea of a regional person representing ALAC as Chair is very attractive. Perhaps by re-hashing your proposal for the composition of the Executive Committee a workable and effective solution can be found. Siavash
Dear Colleagues,
A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering.
It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing.
Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC.
The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution.
If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC.
If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting).
The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee.
I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it.
Bret Fausett
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I like the idea. Randy Glass A@L On 7/6/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering.
It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing.
Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC.
The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution.
If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC.
If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting).
The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee.
I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it.
Bret Fausett
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I am rather conservative on this idea of rotating chair. I think we should first define/agree on the division of labor of the whole committee's works, who is going to work on which areas. After that, we can agree on how much the Chair should do, either with the current model, or with the proposed rotating Chair model. In case we adopt to the rotation, perhaps the term may be longer than one meeting. I think 3 to 5 months are too short to become effective. izumi 2007/7/8, RJGlass | America@Large <jipshida@gmail.com>:
I like the idea.
Randy Glass A@L
On 7/6/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering.
It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing.
Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC.
The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution.
If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC.
If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting).
The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee.
I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it.
Bret Fausett
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BRILLIANT idea, Brett. ________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of RJGlass | America@Large Sent: Sat 7/7/2007 10:43 PM To: Bret Fausett Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Proposal: Rotating Chair for ALAC I like the idea. Randy Glass A@L On 7/6/07, Bret Fausett <bfausett@internet.law.pro> wrote: Dear Colleagues, A few years ago, before the RALOs were formed, I proposed an idea to the then-ALAC that I think is worth reconsidering. It occurred to me at ICANN's meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, while listening to our very good and very Italian Chair, Vittorio Bertola, address the Board, that it would have been a nice thing had our *Argentinean* ALAC member, Sebastian Ricciardi, been the Chair and ALAC spokesperson for the Mar del Plata meeting *in Argentina.* This was nothing at all against Vittorio, who was a very good Chair for us at that time, but more a feeling that we could be doing more to highlight the international nature of the ALAC by rotating the Chair among the five regions, in step with ICANN's meeting calendar. In recent discussions with ALAC members, I proposed the idea again, and because it was well received, I wanted to propose it formally on the list. As long as we are revising our internal working rules, this is worth discussing. Here's the idea. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the members of the region that will host the *next* ICANN meeting select one of them to act as Chair from that point through the last day of the next meeting. This will have a couple of positive effects. First, it will take the burden of acting as Chair off of a single individual and allow the ALAC to share the work among its members. Second, it will give each region a chance to have one of its members serve as Chair, providing greater perspective and diversity to our work. It also will assist us in our outreach efforts, as this rotation will highlight for the regions the international nature of the ALAC. The downside of the proposal, as I presented it in Argentina, was that we would lose some continuity at a time when we were trying to get the RALOs formed and get the ALAC up and running. Even though we are past the formational stages of the ALAC, I can still see the continuity issue. Fortunately, one of my North American colleagues told me about the way the European Union handles *its* rotating Chair, and I immediately knew we had found our solution. If we follow the EU model of rotation, the ALAC would have an Executive Committee consisting of the immediate Past Chair, the Current Chair, and the Prospective Chair. At the end of every ICANN meeting, the Past Chair would drop off the Executive Committee, the Current Chair would become the Past Chair, the Prospective Chair would become the Chair, and a new Prospective Chair would be selected. The "Prospective Chair" would act as Vice-Chair of the ALAC. If applied to our current ALAC at the present time, the Executive Committee would consist of Jacqueline Morris as Past Chair (she was Chair in Puerto Rico), a Chair from among the three North Americans (NA hosts the October, 2007 meeting), and a Prospective Chair from among the Asia Pacific representatives (AP hosts the February, 2008 meeting). When the ICANN meeting in Los Angeles closes, Jacqueline would drop off the Executive Committee, the North American would become the Past Chair, an Asian-Pacific Islander would become Chair, and a European would be selected as the Prospective Chair (Europe will host the June, 2008 meeting). The nice thing about the EU-style rotation is that it ensures we have, at all times, a multinational Executive Committee, and it keeps continuity in our leadership, as every person selected will serve a year on the Executive Committee. I think this would work very well, and I hope you will consider it. Bret Fausett _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org/> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org/> -- ------------------------- AmericaAtLarge.org RJPacific.com DDMF.org
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Bret Fausett -
Izumi AIZU -
RJGlass | America＠Large -
Robert Guerra -
Siavash Shahshahani -
Thompson, Darlene -
Veronica Cretu -
Vittorio Bertola