NETSOL/ICANN frontrunning lawsuit
In the ICANN-NSOL relationship, it's who's the dog and who's the tail, if you catch my drift. Right now and for some time, it seems NSOL is the dog wagging the ICANN tail. That's backwards, IMHO. But you can bet NSOL is going to put up a hell of a fight. Yeah. When lots of money is at risk they will, they did this with the Sex.com case. While Moniker is letter e360's lawyer litigate against me, when they could have saved themselves lots of trouble by cooperating with me.
Given the Netsol/ICANN letters regarding Whois accuracy a few years back, it does not give one ANY confidence in the ICANN management.
What ICANN has to decide is whether it's going to fight with NSOL or seek to weasel out from underneath. My guess is that ICANN will fold and eventually plead for mercy from the court so that none of the Board members have to pay any penalties to registrants out of their personal pockets. I'm not sure if ICANN will be able to be held liable. What I hope is that the powers to be at ICAN will wake up and realize that doing the right thing as a rule is also the best for avoiding lawsuits (though one should do the right thing because it is the right thing).
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
Bill Silverstein wrote:
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
They are now considering (PDP) the issue of domain tasting and (probably) related frontrunning (initiated by the At Large), so doubt that it's time for reconsideration already... Jacqueline
Jacqueline and all, It's nearly always time for reconsideration. To believe otherwise is foolish and significantly unwise. In any event, the sooner ICANN reconsiders and rectifies and/or actually fixes the frontrunning/domain name tasting problem which is still ongoing unabated, the less financial damages the suit from Chris will cost both ICANN and NSOL as well as other registries or registrars. Oh, and not to mention other follow on suits of similar nature... "Jacqueline A.Morris" wrote:
Bill Silverstein wrote:
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
They are now considering (PDP) the issue of domain tasting and (probably) related frontrunning (initiated by the At Large), so doubt that it's time for reconsideration already...
Jacqueline
Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
Dear Jeffrey You can't reconsider something that you haven’t yet considered. To believe otherwise indicates a lack of an English dictionary; which, if one is attempting to write in English, is significantly unwise. See dictionary entry below. Main Entry: re·con·sid·er Pronunciation: \ˌrē-kən-ˈsi-dər\ Function: verb Date: 1571 transitive verb: to consider again especially with a view to changing or reversing intransitive verb : to consider something again — re·con·sid·er·a·tion \-ˌsi-də-ˈrā-shən\ noun Hope this helps Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:25 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey@icann.org; DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep Subject: Re: [At-Large] NETSOL/ICANN frontrunning lawsuit Jacqueline and all, It's nearly always time for reconsideration. To believe otherwise is foolish and significantly unwise. In any event, the sooner ICANN reconsiders and rectifies and/or actually fixes the frontrunning/domain name tasting problem which is still ongoing unabated, the less financial damages the suit from Chris will cost both ICANN and NSOL as well as other registries or registrars. Oh, and not to mention other follow on suits of similar nature... "Jacqueline A.Morris" wrote:
Bill Silverstein wrote:
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
They are now considering (PDP) the issue of domain tasting and (probably) related frontrunning (initiated by the At Large), so doubt that it's time for reconsideration already...
Jacqueline
Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827 _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 12:00 AM
Jacqueline and all my friends, Correct, and the verb conjigation wasn't necessary. The problem seems to be in this exchange, is that ICANN has already claimed an announced it HAS solved the frontrunnin/Domain name tasting problem, hence why reconsideration is both possible and broadly believed to be a wise/necessary thing to do. "Jacqueline A. Morris" wrote:
Dear Jeffrey You can't reconsider something that you havenât yet considered. To believe otherwise indicates a lack of an English dictionary; which, if one is attempting to write in English, is significantly unwise.
See dictionary entry below.
Main Entry: re·con·sid·er Pronunciation: \ËrÄ-kÉn-Ësi-dÉr\ Function: verb Date: 1571
transitive verb: to consider again especially with a view to changing or reversing
intransitive verb : to consider something again â re·con·sid·er·a·tion \-Ësi-dÉ-ËrÄ-shÉn\ noun
Hope this helps Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:25 PM To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey@icann.org; DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep Subject: Re: [At-Large] NETSOL/ICANN frontrunning lawsuit
Jacqueline and all,
It's nearly always time for reconsideration. To believe otherwise is foolish and significantly unwise.
In any event, the sooner ICANN reconsiders and rectifies and/or actually fixes the frontrunning/domain name tasting problem which is still ongoing unabated, the less financial damages the suit from Chris will cost both ICANN and NSOL as well as other registries or registrars. Oh, and not to mention other follow on suits of similar nature...
"Jacqueline A.Morris" wrote:
Bill Silverstein wrote:
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
They are now considering (PDP) the issue of domain tasting and (probably) related frontrunning (initiated by the At Large), so doubt that it's time for reconsideration already...
Jacqueline
Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
Just moved Jeff to my gmail spam filter* - can someone send a legitimate e-mail, to see if it will get through? thanks! veni * This will save me bandwidth, as I don't need more spams coming to my computer. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Veni and all my friends, No spam here Vini, just normal Email response. So what is your problem? Veni Markovski wrote:
Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
We are not your friends! On 04/03/2008, Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Veni and all my friends,
No spam here Vini, just normal Email response. So what is your problem?
Veni Markovski wrote:
-- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Franck Martin franck.martin@gmail.com http://www.peachymango.org/ "Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question" G. Bachelard
Bill and all my friends, I remember the sex.com case very well if you recall. Indeed, NSOL seemed to be gold digging on that one! Bad move on their part, IMHO as well... ICANN's management is mostly populated by social engineers and IT wana-be's and always has been. None of them with the possible exception of Chuck Goomes can write code or for that matter read code with any actual understanding. As to ICANN reconsidering "Frontrunning"/"Domain name tasting" decision, maybe, but only if they are forced by court order to do so. Such may be as it should be given that they are being wagged by the NSOL dog after all! >:) However this will not satisfy Chris's complaint fully as to financial compensation and if other parties from Godaddy and the defunct RegistryFly damanged and yet to be compensated ex-registrants, the financial damages will be significant, if not huge. My guess is though that ICANN and NSOL are going to get their legal heads together and see what they can offer Chris in an out of court settlement. Chris is no fool though, he will want allot and not all in $$ either.... I think I will give him a call and make some suggestions! >:) Bill Silverstein wrote:
In the ICANN-NSOL relationship, it's who's the dog and who's the tail, if you catch my drift. Right now and for some time, it seems NSOL is the dog wagging the ICANN tail. That's backwards, IMHO. But you can bet NSOL is going to put up a hell of a fight. Yeah. When lots of money is at risk they will, they did this with the Sex.com case. While Moniker is letter e360's lawyer litigate against me, when they could have saved themselves lots of trouble by cooperating with me.
Given the Netsol/ICANN letters regarding Whois accuracy a few years back, it does not give one ANY confidence in the ICANN management.
What ICANN has to decide is whether it's going to fight with NSOL or seek to weasel out from underneath. My guess is that ICANN will fold and eventually plead for mercy from the court so that none of the Board members have to pay any penalties to registrants out of their personal pockets. I'm not sure if ICANN will be able to be held liable. What I hope is that the powers to be at ICAN will wake up and realize that doing the right thing as a rule is also the best for avoiding lawsuits (though one should do the right thing because it is the right thing).
Maybe ICANN's management will reconsider the issue of domain name frontrunning.
Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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Bill Silverstein -
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Jacqueline A.Morris
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Jeffrey A. Williams -
Veni Markovski