Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged? On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com <mailto:aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d0c0b46552958ac65c076711d0d4ddd3caa71b4e?url...> www.alexanderforsyth.com <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8a984b2a36df1d485c9aa65deaa140e357963ab3?url...>

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Roberto, There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground. -Garth On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>" <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> wrote:

...

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

...

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com <mailto:aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d0c0b46552958ac65c076711d0d4ddd3caa71b4e?url...> www.alexanderforsyth.com <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8a984b2a36df1d485c9aa65deaa140e357963ab3?url...>

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That would be awesome. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua

On Feb 19, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:

+1

...

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:23 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote: Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

...

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

...

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

...

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

...

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org www.alexanderforsyth.com

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Hi Garth Great to have you back BTW. I think it is primarily At-Large because we don't analyse our systems often enough to find out how many of our members are actually engaging at any time or at any level. I wouldn't even know what our membership is. Current stats only look at those engaging, not those who aren't. Is that an ICANN staff responsibility? On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:36 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

So then Javier, Maureen, et al: Are we in the basement of modern communication because it is ICANN or because we are At-Large?

On 2/19/17 12:29 PM, Javier Rua wrote:

That would be awesome.

Javier Rúa-Jovet

+1-787-396-6511 <(787)%20396-6511> twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua

On Feb 19, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:

+1

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:23 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

...

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d0c0b46552958ac65c076711d0d4ddd3caa71b4e?url...> www.alexanderforsyth.com <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8a984b2a36df1d485c9aa65deaa140e357963ab3?url...>

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I agree which is how ICANN stats are set up. If members don't engage then it is At-Large's problem to fix - as long as we don't ask for funds for outreach :) . On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:56 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Maureen I don't believe any of this is set up engage, it is set up so ICANN can say they are engaging.

On 2/19/17 12:44 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:

Hi Garth

Great to have you back BTW. I think it is primarily At-Large because we don't analyse our systems often enough to find out how many of our members are actually engaging at any time or at any level. I wouldn't even know what our membership is. Current stats only look at those engaging, not those who aren't. Is that an ICANN staff responsibility?

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:36 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

...

So then Javier, Maureen, et al: Are we in the basement of modern communication because it is ICANN or because we are At-Large?

On 2/19/17 12:29 PM, Javier Rua wrote:

That would be awesome.

Javier Rúa-Jovet

+1-787-396-6511 <%28787%29%20396-6511> twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua

On Feb 19, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:

+1

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:23 AM, gbruen@knujon.com <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

...

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d0c0b46552958ac65c076711d0d4ddd3caa71b4e?url...> www.alexanderforsyth.com <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8a984b2a36df1d485c9aa65deaa140e357963ab3?url...>

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Makes sense so long as it has a mail delivery function. Maybe exploring the ISOC connect tool could help for a start. Perhaps something for the technology taskforce (TTF) to look into. Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On Feb 19, 2017 18:24, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/d0c0b46552958ac65c076711d0d4ddd3caa71b4e?url...> www.alexanderforsyth.com <https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/8a984b2a36df1d485c9aa65deaa140e357963ab3?url...>

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+1 Judith CW PS: This thread has a misnomer. Unsubscribing is a private technical measure that is available. It is not a matter for the whole List. e.g. I am sure that I should engage in some unsubscribing because I receive duplicates of this List. But I shall spare you all the attention to that triviality. On 19 Feb 2017, at 20:14, Judith Hellerstein <judith@jhellerstein.com> wrote:

Hi all

A different type of email protocol is fine but ISOC connect is not a good platform. Many people dislike it because you cannot see easily what email address it is from and also cannot easily respond to that person. I and others have plenty of issues with connect

Best Judith

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Makes sense so long as it has a mail delivery function. Maybe exploring the ISOC connect tool could help for a start. Perhaps something for the technology taskforce (TTF) to look into.

Regards

Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 18:24, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote: Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

...

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

...

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

...

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you.

Alexander Forsyth www.campominado.org www.alexanderforsyth.com

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe exploring the ISOC connect tool

​I am currently participating in a review of ISOC Connect as to whether it should be continue or be replaced. There has been a fair amount of grumbling,, especially from the old guard, however one thing I have already learned is that, as far as ISOC goes, while some Chapters in Africa do use it as their primary avenue of communication, it's main and important function is to provide shallow water for new joiners to get their feet wet, get an idea of the community, and a sense of belonging. A newbie playground. The idea being that the keen ones may graduate to traditional vectors such wg's, email lists, wiki's etc There are also other functional nitpicks that are never fixed. Part of the problem is that it is a hosted platform (think a glorified Xing) and thus no real change can happen unless it is put through on the whole platform. OTOH this is possibly less maintenance than a standalone such as the FOSS Buddypress. To some extent the lack of action on At-Large email lists attests to the success of the Adobe Connect + Confluence combo, but this may lend itself to elitism. I think, like ISOC, At-Large could look at driving wider participation. j -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond writes:

The list of problems that ISOC Connect brings is long - the biggest problem being the inability for cleanly forward a message from the system to proper email. It contains all sorts of links etc. And you also have to log in to read its archives. I remind you that the vast majority of At-Large mailing lists are publicly archived with no need for a password to consult them.

People should have a look at the solution as created by RIPE-NCC. It as well as a mail list as a forum. See <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/marco_schmidt/introducing-the-ripe-forum> for an introduction. jaap

There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :( -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology. It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen. This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications. So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance." For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together." I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine. --karl-- _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:

it's main and important function is to provide shallow water for new joiners to get their feet wet, get an idea of the community, and a sense of belonging. A newbie playground. The idea being that the keen ones may graduate to traditional vectors such wg's, email lists, wiki's etc

I would not argue that there are more efficient ways to organize the communications. But email is always considered a 'come direct to me' mode instead of the 'come find me' mode of the website/wiki/portal modalities for communication. When an ALS is ratified by the ALAC, the email subscription by ALS representative to at least the Worldwide list comes with that ratification. It follows for pretty much the same reasons -flipped - that Joly outlined in the ISOC context. Just by modeling of a traditional message, a subject line is meant to indicate channel. The response to the subject line in the content body would have been a useful indicator of interest and, driver for that channelized discussion. But um...........well..... -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================

I kinda like Skype chat. Javier Rúa-Jovet +1-787-396-6511 twitter: @javrua skype: javier.rua1 https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua

On Feb 20, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:

Since nobody else has mentioned it, for some years, after having been birthed as a backchannel during ICANN Meetings, the At-Large Community on Skype (128 participants, admin:Evan Leibovitch) has functioned as pretty much the default chat channel for At-Large worldwide. It is browseable, but not searchable AFAIK, I doubt anybody ever bothers. Skype chat also is very flexible when it comes to forming ad hoc groups.

Question. Does a chat channel work better for free discussion than email? It may be subjective, but it seems the flow of conversation from chat to more formal minuted calls works well. Outcomes are then recorded on the wiki.

Lastly, I will say that, in ISOC, while we hook up in a variety of manners, we pretty much exclusively now use Zoom for calls.

j

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote: it's main and important function is to provide shallow water for new joiners to get their feet wet, get an idea of the community, and a sense of belonging. A newbie playground. The idea being that the keen ones may graduate to traditional vectors such wg's, email lists, wiki's etc

I would not argue that there are more efficient ways to organize the communications. But email is always considered a 'come direct to me' mode instead of the 'come find me' mode of the website/wiki/portal modalities for communication.

When an ALS is ratified by the ALAC, the email subscription by ALS representative to at least the Worldwide list comes with that ratification. It follows for pretty much the same reasons -flipped - that Joly outlined in the ISOC context.

Just by modeling of a traditional message, a subject line is meant to indicate channel. The response to the subject line in the content body would have been a useful indicator of interest and, driver for that channelized discussion.

But um...........well.....

-Carlton

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Hi, this would be a software/communications project, for which clear requirements would be a good start (not the end.) Use cases and constraints go first, don't they? The use cases have to be analyzed and documented, and in our case, discussed and stabilized. The constraints should include among others: compliance with Internet standards and best current practice; parsimony in the resources required (text better than HTML, push better than having to access a dozen or more Websites), openness, transparency/accountabiilty. Suitability to low-bandwidth, old operating system and browser, limited-capabilities devices for people in island/edge conditions, or for busy travellers, should also be among the desirable properties of any communications system. Erik and Carlton have already expressed some keystones which favor email or at least some fundamental properties of email. I join in support. Joly, call me an "old-timer" if doing so is a suitable way of polarizing the list. We see all too many "new-timers" discussing ICANN issues with all-too-scant knowledge and respect for Internet basics. Let's find a cooperative way that works for all. Let's hope that the now very long-standing Technology WG/TF takes all this into account. Let's also note that the "flurry of unsubscribes to the list" was about... 4 messages? (and it has been explained away.) Alejandro Pisanty On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com

wrote:

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:

...

it's main and important function is to provide shallow water for new joiners to get their feet wet, get an idea of the community, and a sense of belonging. A newbie playground. The idea being that the keen ones may graduate to traditional vectors such wg's, email lists, wiki's etc

I would not argue that there are more efficient ways to organize the communications. But email is always considered a 'come direct to me' mode instead of the 'come find me' mode of the website/wiki/portal modalities for communication.

When an ALS is ratified by the ALAC, the email subscription by ALS representative to at least the Worldwide list comes with that ratification. It follows for pretty much the same reasons -flipped - that Joly outlined in the ISOC context.

Just by modeling of a traditional message, a subject line is meant to indicate channel. The response to the subject line in the content body would have been a useful indicator of interest and, driver for that channelized discussion.

But um...........well.....

-Carlton

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<<OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against.>> Hardly Roberto, I want people to have CHOICE and the system to be flexible. Have a web interface that allows people to subscribe to the issue they are concerned about and when they respond via email to a thread it is placed somewhere useful within the interface so people who do NOT use the email list can still interact with you. The overlay of a properly configured interface would also allow people to use the system in a LOCAL language if they choose. On 2/19/17 12:46 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

Garth,

I am not arguing on the fact that there are other solutions, what I reacted was to the idea of dropping the email.

What is **better** or **much better** is really a matter of different taste, connectivity conditions (bandwidth, cost, etc.), way to use (always online or not), and more.

What is good for some, is bad for other.

If your point is that ICANN should explore alternatives and add them to the offer they give to the stakeholders, I am with you.

If, OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against.

Cheers,

Roberto

*Da:*gbruen@knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] *Inviato:* domenica 19 febbraio 2017 18:24 *A:* Roberto Gaetano *Cc:* at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org *Oggetto:* Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:

To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives.

But maybe there other ways that I don't know.

Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :)

R

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On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>" <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards

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On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com <mailto:aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.

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Folks A great discussion on this list - making some really important points. So instead of letting the matter drop (as is so often the case), make this an item for discussion at CPH - and allow plenty of time. How do we communicate, can we do better and how. So maybe review what some of us know - what are the lists, how are they used (or not), when people unsubscribe, do we try to find out why, is there a better way to communicate - by topic? And Dev, Garth, Seun and everyone - could there be a page or so - to that list and staff, saying this is a better way and this is how to do it. We are starting the Review comments - and how we communicate (and how we could do it better) is clearly something that should be one of the top items on that agenda. So let’s actually make our communications structures better rather than just complain Thanks everyone Holly On 20 Feb 2017, at 4:57 am, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:

Oh good, then we can agree. R

Da: gbruen@knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Inviato: domenica 19 febbraio 2017 18:55 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Oggetto: Re: R: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please

<< OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against.>>

Hardly Roberto, I want people to have CHOICE and the system to be flexible. Have a web interface that allows people to subscribe to the issue they are concerned about and when they respond via email to a thread it is placed somewhere useful within the interface so people who do NOT use the email list can still interact with you. The overlay of a properly configured interface would also allow people to use the system in a LOCAL language if they choose.

On 2/19/17 12:46 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: Garth, I am not arguing on the fact that there are other solutions, what I reacted was to the idea of dropping the email. What is *better* or *much better* is really a matter of different taste, connectivity conditions (bandwidth, cost, etc.), way to use (always online or not), and more. What is good for some, is bad for other. If your point is that ICANN should explore alternatives and add them to the offer they give to the stakeholders, I am with you. If, OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against. Cheers, Roberto

Da: gbruen@knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Inviato: domenica 19 febbraio 2017 18:24 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you.

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@ Holly,

+1.

Otunte

From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Holly Raiche Sent: 19 February 2017 20:34 To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: Re: [At-Large] R: R: Unsubscribe me please

Folks

A great discussion on this list - making some really important points. So instead of letting the matter drop (as is so often the case), make this an item for discussion at CPH - and allow plenty of time. How do we communicate, can we do better and how.

So maybe review what some of us know - what are the lists, how are they used (or not), when people unsubscribe, do we try to find out why, is there a better way to communicate - by topic? And Dev, Garth, Seun and everyone - could there be a page or so - to that list and staff, saying this is a better way and this is how to do it.

We are starting the Review comments - and how we communicate (and how we could do it better) is clearly something that should be one of the top items on that agenda. So let’s actually make our communications structures better rather than just complain

Thanks everyone

Holly On 20 Feb 2017, at 4:57 am, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com> wrote:

Oh good, then we can agree. R

Da: gbruen@knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Inviato: domenica 19 febbraio 2017 18:55 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Oggetto: Re: R: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please

<< OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against.>>

Hardly Roberto, I want people to have CHOICE and the system to be flexible. Have a web interface that allows people to subscribe to the issue they are concerned about and when they respond via email to a thread it is placed somewhere useful within the interface so people who do NOT use the email list can still interact with you. The overlay of a properly configured interface would also allow people to use the system in a LOCAL language if they choose.

On 2/19/17 12:46 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: Garth, I am not arguing on the fact that there are other solutions, what I reacted was to the idea of dropping the email. What is *better* or *much better* is really a matter of different taste, connectivity conditions (bandwidth, cost, etc.), way to use (always online or not), and more. What is good for some, is bad for other. If your point is that ICANN should explore alternatives and add them to the offer they give to the stakeholders, I am with you. If, OTOH, your point is to replace email with something different, I am strongly against. Cheers, Roberto

Da: gbruen@knujon.com [mailto:gbruen@knujon.com] Inviato: domenica 19 febbraio 2017 18:24 A: Roberto Gaetano Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please

Roberto,

There is a much better way. Web technology has evolved considerably, It is entirely possible to have a single interface where all At-Large participants can review current issues and collaborate in queues and streams. Instead of cobbling together a bunch of disparate systems for placing and tracking At-Large work, can we put all the tools in one place like every other effective organization has done. We're not using anything even close to workflow, none of the At-Large "Stuff" is results or goal driven. Log into this for that, log into this other thing for something else. This is a case study in driving our work into the ground.

-Garth

On 2/19/17 11:35 AM, Roberto Gaetano wrote: To me, it works well - or at least better than some alternatives. But maybe there other ways that I don't know. Anyway, please do not unsubscribe me :) R

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Feb 2017, at 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com" <gbruen@knujon.com> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you.

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Seun, Agree, I'm on many kinds of lists I love and use, but there is no purpose here as far as At-Large tasks go. Too many lists, need web-based workflow that any At-Large user can subscribe in an out of, manage what discussions they participate in, see the entire history of an issue, vote, draft documents and proposals, etc, etc, etc. People unsubscribe because they have too much email in general and they joined At-Large to address some issue that is important to them, but when they get here they're confronted with too much noise. They can't get their issue heard, and the messaging they get is not relevant to the concern that brought them here. It's just us mess. With a proper tool, we could have true GLOBAL At-Large engagement, not this small group of overworked folks. -Garth On 2/19/17 12:13 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

Hi Garth,

You will agree with me that there are several mailing list for different issues (working groups), and I personally think they are even too many of them already and may be one of the reason people loose touch on what is happening within ICANN. Perhaps what can be done in other to address the point you've raised is to have the several lists placed somewhere central with relevant description on purpose. There is usually list info page on mailman by default and AtLarge has one too [1] but its needs to be updated and perhaps should go as part of the footer URLs as well.

That said, It usually baffles me when a list that has been relatively silent starts getting unsubscribe request immediately it's becoming active. Isn't the essence of the list in the first place for us all to interact? Why then get off if once the opportunity to interact shows itself.

Ofcourse I am fine with people flagging possibility of unsubscribing if the list no longer discusses issues of relevance to the purpose of setting up the list. However, I think what has been discussed so far is indeed of relevance hence I wonder whether those subscriber really wanted to participate in the first place.

On the same note and perhaps as a suggestion, it may be good to find a way to always keep the list active so subscriber don't see inactivity as the norm and activity as a strange thing. :-)

I personally am a fan of mailing list as I don't think any web facing page would engage and provide information to ones door step as much as a mailing list.

Regards 1. https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>" <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

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Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large>

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com <mailto:aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.

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But Remmy, I think we need to know as a community that people are disengaging and find out why. If we actually had a comprehensive system, an unsubscribe click could be responded to with a 3 question survey and an opportunity to write a full statement if the person has a specific reason. On 2/19/17 12:41 PM, Remmy Nweke wrote:

+1 @Seun was really wondering if its not triggered by a virus at a point, but it seems not. Like Seun noted if at all anyone wants to unsubscribe you need not announce it simply press the right link usually below every list, and you are good. Its discouraging to see people trend unsubscribe as a subject. Best of the week people. Remmy

On Feb 19, 2017 6:14 PM, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Garth,

You will agree with me that there are several mailing list for different issues (working groups), and I personally think they are even too many of them already and may be one of the reason people loose touch on what is happening within ICANN. Perhaps what can be done in other to address the point you've raised is to have the several lists placed somewhere central with relevant description on purpose. There is usually list info page on mailman by default and AtLarge has one too [1] but its needs to be updated and perhaps should go as part of the footer URLs as well.

That said, It usually baffles me when a list that has been relatively silent starts getting unsubscribe request immediately it's becoming active. Isn't the essence of the list in the first place for us all to interact? Why then get off if once the opportunity to interact shows itself.

Ofcourse I am fine with people flagging possibility of unsubscribing if the list no longer discusses issues of relevance to the purpose of setting up the list. However, I think what has been discussed so far is indeed of relevance hence I wonder whether those subscriber really wanted to participate in the first place.

On the same note and perhaps as a suggestion, it may be good to find a way to always keep the list active so subscriber don't see inactivity as the norm and activity as a strange thing. :-)

I personally am a fan of mailing list as I don't think any web facing page would engage and provide information to ones door step as much as a mailing list.

Regards 1. https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo> Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 17:13, "gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>" <gbruen@knujon.com <mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>> wrote:

Seun, there are always too many emails, none channeled to specific interests or needs. This decades-old "system" of collaboration and information flow is one of the great failures of ICANN to engage with the community. Why would anyone want to stay engaged?

On 2/19/17 10:46 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

...

Hello,

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large>

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

Regards Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 19, 2017 16:38, "Alexander Forsyth" <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com <mailto:aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.

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Hello everyone, In my humble opinion, it would be desirable for the next General Assembly to consider this issue. There must be some, perhaps more obvious, reasons for this disengagement. For 3 years, I have begun to see this disengagement. I think that there is a problem of motivation and, more importantly, of an internal dynamic that has formed a cyst which does not allow certain members to participate physically and virtually enthusiastically in the course of the different exchanges. This is just a finding but more element of appreciation are needed to have a certainty. *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *SECRETAIRE EXECUTIF FGI-IGF RDC* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECICANN/AFRALO Member* *ISOC Member* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe@gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr 2017-02-20 9:37 GMT+02:00 John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com>:

But Remmy, I think we need to know as a community that people are

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disengaging and find out why. If we actually had a comprehensive system, an unsubscribe click could be responded to with a 3 question survey and an opportunity to write a full statement if the person has a specific reason.

Which I can promise nobody would do beyond checking the box that says "yes I really want to unsubscribe" and maybe "too much mail." I realize that some people think web discussion fora are great, but expect I am not the only one here who has no interest in visitng a dozen web whatsits every day so if I can't get it as mail, forget it.

I sort of hate to bring up user education, but every mail program in the world has fairly easy ways to sort list mail into separate folders, which lets you read it when you want. Evidently a lot of people can't don't think it's worth the 30 seconds needed to do that, so I think the real problem is that there is vanishingly little signal on this list. Most of it is administrative chitchat that most people don't care about, and much of what's left is random tangents unrelated to anything ICANN might do (something of which I am far from innocent.)

So on the principle of not saying anything when I have nothing to say, I'll stop now.

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On 19/02/2017 15:46, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

The URL to unsubscribe is in the footer:

https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large

On that note, I wonder why a few people are unsubscribing? Are the mails too much already ;-)

A bunch of people were re-added to the list a few days ago, thinking their lack of subscribing was an oversight. Some of the people unsubscribing have just been added. After all how is an ALS going to carry out its mission to relay ICANN messages to its community if they are not subscribed to the ALAC Annoucement mailing list? How are they going to relay the input of their community into the ALAC if they are not subscribed to the At-Large discussion mailing list? Kindest regards, Olivier

Me too, please! Many thanks indeed! Veronica Cretu ​​-- *Veronica Cretu * *MA in Contemporary Diplomacy* *Governance Reforms Scorecard Initiative Coordinator with World Bank Moldova* *President, Open Government Institute **- http://opengov.si.md/ <http://opengov.si.md/>* *Email: veronicacretu@gmail.com <veronicacretu@gmail.com> * *Skype: veronicacretu * *Phone: 373 067435000*​ On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Andreas Bummel <bummel@kdun.org> wrote:

Me also please.

Not a good practice to be added to a mailing list without an effective way to unsubscribe.

Alexander Forsyth <aforsyth.pdp@gmail.com> schrieb am So. 19. Feb. 2017 um 16:37:

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Thank you.

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